A Thread About Actual Coach Candidates

Tre4ISU

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First off, I don't believe Rhoads will be fired this year. I don't believe it's feasible and I believe that JP still has a belief that he can do it. I may or may not, leaning towards may not believe the same thing. However, since people are posting about this and bringing up utterly ridiculous conclusions, I figured I'd throw something together on some actual coaches with a chance to be offered the job and a chance they would take said job for whatever reasons. There are people I will either miss or not have paid attention to.

1. PJ Fleck (WMU) Experience- He's 34 years old. He was hired at WMU after being a G. assistant at OSU, WR coach under Kill at NIU, WR coach at Rutger under Schiano, and then WR coach at Tampa Bay. Pretty solid group of mentors there. He played at NIU and had a short stint in the NFL.

Pros- Very young. Recruited the best MAC class in 12 years at WMU according to Rivals in the midst of a 1 win season. Took a crap program from 1-11 to where it is today with a bunch of young guys. His top passer is a Soph, top RB a freshman and top Wrs are Sophomores. Seems like a fun guy who relates.

Cons-Would likely move on. The only thing that would possibly keep him is the fact he doesn't seem to shy away from challenges. Still, he's 34 and with success will have too many opportunities to pass them all up. He was hired as OC at NIU at one point and left a day later for a WR position at Tampa indicating to me loyalty isn't so big since NIU is his alma mater.
Did this shady thing when he was hired when he pulled scholarships weeks before signing day. Don't really care but still.

Likelihood of translation- High. History of turning a poor program with little tradition of winning around. Also recruited successfully to this school.

Likelihood of coming here-High. He would jump at a BCS gig.

2. Tom Herman- We know his history

Pros-Just dumptrucked MSU. Has advanced his offense under Urb. Also a young guy.

Cons-Would certainly move on as soon as possible.

Likelihood of translation- Moderate. I think his offense would be fine but the usual questions apply to him as a Coordinator. Could he get the other side of the ball in line. He has also never shown recruiting success at a place that isn't in a talent rich environment or is a national power.

3. Scott Frost (OC Oregon)- We know about his career at NU. Grad assistant at NU and KSU. Was then the LBer coach at UNI and then Co DC. Was WR coach at OU before becoming QB coach and OC. Coached Mariotta. Was OC for largest yardage output in school history which is kind of impressive considering where he is and the fact he did it in one less game.

Pros- Innovative offense based on killing safeties. Another young guy who seems to relate. Coached the Heisman front runner. From the midwest which would perhaps induce loyalty outside of a Nebraska offer.

Cons- Would go to Nebraska in a heartbeat.

Likelihood to translate- Moderate. Another OC, however, contrary to Herman he has been a DC at some level which may help.

4. Bob Stitt- From Nebraska. Was OC at Harvard. Currently head coach at the Colorado School of Mines which, if you haven't noticed is a good school. Had a guy win the equivalent of the Heisman there. Was put on the map by Dana Holgerson when Holgo stole the fly sweep from him. Runs a heavy option spread while taking pre snap decisions away from the QB and relying on simple execution. Every pass play has a route for any defense.

Pros- His offense works very well. Is a very progressive football mind and does things he wants. Some things may already be being done but he comes up with most on his own. Uses fourth down a lot. Seems like a pretty humble and decent guy who would fit in with the culture. A school that gives him a shot will likely

Cons- Has never been in anything approximating a high profile job with expectations. Always low level.

Likelihood to translate- His offense would work. The issue becomes everything else. Can he recruit? Can he hire capable assistants for this level? I don't know. He's a huge risk with a very high ceiling and a very low floor.

5. Jim McElwain (CSU)- Was OC under Saban. Turned around a pretty bad CSU program in quick order and is currently 9-1.

Pros- Saban, man. Seems to recruit well. Has turned a program around. Seems like a good offensive mind. Would likely bring a different system to the Big 12.

Cons- May not come here even if offered. He's making good money and will be on the short list of places like Florida or any other SEC team. Would be risky for him to put his reputation on the line in a place like Ames.

Likelihood to translate- High. He turned around a bad program without any inherent advantages.

Here are a few more guys who I just don't think would come here though they are legitimate names:

Narduzzi, Smart, Morris

There are a ton of guys out there to look at. There are guys who people will dismiss like Doug Nussmier who I think would take the job and a case could be made for them. I just felt like listing my top 5 guys tonight and I'm sure JP would go a totally different direction. Fleck is my guy simply due to the similarities in programs right now and his ability to out recruit everyone at his level. That's where you have to start. You have to be able to out recruit the KUs, TTs, KSUs and WVUs of the world.
 
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I'm actually higher on Herman's co-OC, Ed Warriner than I am on Herman, mostly because he has an offensive line background and has spent some more time in the midwest.

Bob Stitt would be interesting and I'd be all for it, but he'd have to have a plan in place to succeed similar to what Chip Kelly had when moving to the NFL. By that I mean he'd have to hire assistants with a lot of experience at this level, and capable of developing players as well as recruiting. His hiring of assistants would be much more important than most coaches because of his inexperience.
 
I like the Bob Stitt hire if the guy is innovative. Need a coach who can develop North/Midwest lineman.
 
Scott Frost sounds to me like a Chizik like hire. Smarter and ultimately better than Chizik, but I'm not really sure what he brings to the table that's anything special.
 
Scott Frost sounds to me like a Chizik like hire. Smarter and ultimately better than Chizik, but I'm not really sure what he brings to the table that's anything special.
I think Scott Frost would have a better chance of success than Chizik. However, I think he is more of a gamble then some of the other candidates.
 
We should get that computer from jeopardy to call plays.
lol, I posted that in another thread...

[video=youtube;WFR3lOm_xhE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFR3lOm_xhE[/video]

What better fit would there be for OC since we are the birthplace of the computer?
 
I would definitely support a coach like this.

A system likes this makes it easier to recruit too.

Yes, also imagine our opponent's practices. They would spend all their time working on offside kick recoveries and trying to figure out our 3rd and 4th down strategy. 3rd and long would no longer be a pass necessarily. We don't have the athletes for other gimmicky type offenses like Leach's air raid offense or maybe even Georgia Tech's triple option, but something like this could work even without elite athletes, as most teams are just not prepared for this type of gameplan.
 
I would definitely support a coach like this.

A system likes this makes it easier to recruit too.

Meh, I kind of doubt it. The thing is, college players will execute way better. For instance, his onside kick numbers would not hold out in college. You are basically counting on the receiving team not executing. I htink the recovery rate for them in college is just under 20% which is a lot different. Besides, offenses in the Big 12 will punish you for that. I'm definitely in favor of some of his 4th down ideas, but he's a little too extreme. Again, Big 12 offenses will capitalize on that.
 
I thought bob stitt would be a good hire, but 90-57 isn't that great of a record, it's solid... I'd rather get a younger guy.
 
Yes, also imagine our opponent's practices. They would spend all their time working on offside kick recoveries and trying to figure out our 3rd and 4th down strategy. 3rd and long would no longer be a pass necessarily. We don't have the athletes for other gimmicky type offenses like Leach's air raid offense or maybe even Georgia Tech's triple option, but something like this could work even without elite athletes, as most teams are just not prepared for this type of gameplan.

Only thing I worry about is the NCAA changing the rules if we are successful to preserve legacy powers. We should be the school that tries something crazy like this though. We have nothing to lose.
 
Meh, I kind of doubt it. The thing is, college players will execute way better. For instance, his onside kick numbers would not hold out in college. You are basically counting on the receiving team not executing. I htink the recovery rate for them in college is just under 20% which is a lot different. Besides, offenses in the Big 12 will punish you for that. I'm definitely in favor of some of his 4th down ideas, but he's a little too extreme. Again, Big 12 offenses will capitalize on that.
Well, we can't seem to stop a Big 12 offense anyway lol.
 

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