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I think what Campbell wants to do is be a spread running team. Right now, ISU's best offense is passing because the line is simply better at protecting the QB than run blocking at this point. But make no mistake, he wants to run the ball.
Campbell has tailored the offense to his strength - QB and receivers. And it has paid off. As I think about Cyclone teams past, we were never really known for our defense, like the Blackshirts or whatever. When we were at our best, we were scoring a lot of points and playing a very exciting brand of football.
Agree with @rholtgraves, though.....I think Campbell wants a strong running game, too. Pick your poison!!!!
Agree with @rholtgraves, though.....I think Campbell wants a strong running game, too. Pick your poison!!!!
I've heard that Campbell wants to do what tOSU does, power running & spread it out. We cant out recruit many teams in the Big XII so we have to be different, sorta what K State does but not quite so dull... although I'd sign up for their success... Have a great weekend Cyclone fans, the tailgating is starting in 6 days!
One reason this is an effective way to play in the Midwest is because of the amount of big OL that come from Midwest states. The other reason, IMO, is because of weather that is cool to cold, add in gusting winds across a relatively flat landscape and it's a recipe for power football.
Campbell is a lot smarter than Rhoads, he isn't going to the spread. Right now he's working with what he's got.
Rhoads was DOA with his horizontal, compressed-field spread desires. Which is sad given the Oline and rb he inherited. KO, Lamaak, Hicks, Stephens, Haughton, Burris, Bykowski, etc. We had road grading maulers when he got here that he didn't fully utilize, plus a big powerful QB that would have benefited from play action and a good TE. Sigh
Rhoads was DOA with his horizontal, compressed-field spread desires. Which is sad given the Oline and rb he inherited. KO, Lamaak, Hicks, Stephens, Haughton, Burris, Bykowski, etc. We had road grading maulers when he got here that he didn't fully utilize, plus a big powerful QB that would have benefited from play action and a good TE. Sigh
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Watch tape of Toledo under Campbell they were, for the most part, a spread running team. They spread the defense out and then ran the ball at you using the PA pass to kill teams. They used quick hitting slants, hitches and bubble screens to back the defense off and spread them out, then pounded the ball at them.
Once he gets the road grader OL in place, I suspect we will see a lot of this. This is why, IMO, he likes the guys like Foster, Oge, Knipfel, Hudson and Nogaj. In their videos they all have a mean streak to them.
It seems CMC is trying to build the trenches up to be a strong suit--that's a start.
It doesn't need to be triple option but a strong run game and stout base defense goes a long ways in winning a game. Relying on a passing game with a small lead....well, isn't reliable.
Just because Kansas State doesn't fling it around every 5 seconds doesn't mean it's boring. They were 9-4, 6-3 in conference, and averaged 32 points a game last year. Give me that any day even if it's not 'entertaining'.
It doesn't need to be triple option but a strong run game and stout base defense goes a long ways in winning a game. Relying on a passing game with a small lead....well, isn't reliable.
Just because Kansas State doesn't fling it around every 5 seconds doesn't mean it's boring. They were 9-4, 6-3 in conference, and averaged 32 points a game last year. Give me that any day even if it's not 'entertaining'.
Campbell is running a spread offense right now and has as similar philosophy as Herman did/does. Run oriented, spread attack.
Others have nailed it though...Campbell and company will tailor the offense to the strength of its personnel. Not unlike Mike Gundy.
In 2009, iSu ran the ball 58% of the time, 515 attempts for 26th in the country
In 2010, iSU ran the ball 55% of the time, 455 attempts for 61st in the country
In 2011, iSu ran the ball 53% of the time, 537 attempts for 31st in the country
Tom Herman has always had a run oriented spread philosophy and ran that at iSu. I would have liked to see more run game at the time but it isn't like they didn't run the ball...they did. Rhoads went more pass oriented when he started losing the OL to the NFL, promoted Messingham and had smaller more athletic OL.
Yep, people forget that KSU scores a lot of points the years they are successful. Only twice, since Snyder came back, have they averaged less that 33 PPG. Only once less than 30 PPG.
I didn't mention the word pass once, or talk about needing more run plays called. Nice try though, you understand it about as well as Rhoads.
My problem with the world of college football is this. IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. Watch the Rams vs Niners Monday night football. That was offensive football philosophy at its finest, in my opinion. Shotgun, and Under Center. If you have 1 yard to freaking go, you power run that ball into the endzone. And yes you can use power philosiphies out of shotgun if that isnt all you have. If its 3rd and 17 - you run a freaking 18 yard route and get it done. Not 8 yards cause you are a power team.
Football philosophy has to come down to attitude, play book, timing of calls, and coaching. Not we are a power team, so we cant put 4 receivers on field and take shotgun snaps. Or we spread it out, so on 2nd and 1 inch we have to go out of shotgun and dont know what the hell a qb sneak is.
Football philosophy has to come down to attitude, play book, timing of calls, and coaching. Not we are a power team, so we cant put 4 receivers on field and take shotgun snaps. Or we spread it out, so on 2nd and 1 inch we have to go out of shotgun and dont know what the hell a qb sneak is.
No, I understand what you meant. Disagree with what you meant and used statistical data as evidence.
Perhaps you would like to enlighten me or expand on your thoughts instead of taking the easy way out and just insulting. That would be the adult thing to do.
I am guessing you would have like to see a more vertical passing game. Maybe not but please...do enlighten us.
Oregon with Chip Kelly, that is what our offense will look like in 2 years.
At their most prolific stage under him, they ran the ball very well and had big linemen.
Messingham and had smaller more athletic OL.[/QUOTE]
More Athletic? Thats comical. Smaller yes. More athletic - NO. CPR was the worst recruiter ever to grace D1 football. Which is weird.
More Athletic? Thats comical. Smaller yes. More athletic - NO. CPR was the worst recruiter ever to grace D1 football. Which is weird.
More Athletic? Thats comical. Smaller yes. More athletic - NO. CPR was the worst recruiter ever to grace D1 football. Which is weird.[/QUOTE]
Lalk, Campos, Farniok, Dagel(preinjury) Oni and Burton we're all athletic. Most were in the smaller side that had to be grown. A couple were hampered by injury. Lalk was all conference, Oni is making money in the NFL. Campos looks much better. Burton and Dagel we're hampered by injuries.
I'm not saying I liked Rhoads recruiting but give those guys some credit. Hell, Lalk was 6'6" playing C and was second team Big 12. That takes some athleticism
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