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**** it, I want all three.
I'd go with Morris and Niang. Niang's a given. Monte will be first all time in assists and steals at Iowa State.
Setting the school career assists record will help. He should get that done.
If Monte performs like he has in the past he is a no-brainer.
You are almost making it sounds like Monte needs to go out with a major bang to get there by saying "National Championship? National Player of the year?" which just isn't the case.
Um, two sweet 16's (so far) in that time frame = multiple.
Ejim is more deserving than Morris. I'm ok with both though.
First team AA, Elite 8 or better, Big 12 POY/ Conference season title. Have to lead team to Big 12 tourney final. Have a visible and positive post ISU career whether it is basketball, coaching, etc. 1st round draft pick. Some combo of those still need to be covered.
I think the bar will still have to be high even for Monte. He will no doubt have reached some of the highest marks in some areas.
I think the bar will still have to be high even for Monte. He will no doubt have reached some of the highest marks in some areas.
For once I agree with the kid.
Monte will have records at ISU that will back up several solid tournament appearances.
I think you're onto something with the recency bias. I figure that for a player to have his number retired, he ought to have done something in his career that stands out and seperates him from everyone else. Individual records are made to be broken, so I don't know if the assists and steals career record would do it. But if he additionally was the best player on a team that went further in the tournament than any other team in ISU history? Yeah, I'd go along with that.
With the understanding that retiring numbers leads to less options in the future, that puts a limitation on who is worthy of their number being retired. Now, if Iowa State were to do a "ring of honor" type thing, there is no doubt in my mind all 3 would be up there.
Niang is a no brainer. I don't think Ejim ever gets his number retired, but Monte's numbers are about identical to Hornacek's. I would say if Monte is a first or second team All American this year, then he gets his number retired.
Any reasoning why? Ejim was a fine player and a very good four year guy, but Monte will have set multiple records at ISU.
I think it would be weird if we had been a perennial blue blood for decades and suddenly retired two or three jerseys from a narrow time frame after not having done it for a while. The general standard seems to be our very best players from our best teams, and we just happened to have a large share of our best teams in the last six years (with some of our very best players on them).
In my mind, Georges is the only shoe-in, but Melvin and Monte deserve to be seriously considered too. Melvin for his serious honors in his senior year and all around when combined with outstanding academics, and Monte for the record breaking career he will have had, including a ton of wins on the floor.
Iowa State retires jerseys, not numbers. We've got 2 #14's (Waldo Wegner, Jeff Hornacek) and 2 #35's (Zaid Abdul-Aziz/Don Smith, Barry Stevens) up in the rafters.
As of right now, maybe, but I think that Monte has had the more impressive career. Not taking anything away from Ejim, because he was our rock in the time-of-transfers in ISU history. He got pushed into a larger role as a Freshman because there just wasn't anybody else, and that helped him immensely in the long run. Monte, didn't have to be used as much as he did as Frosh, but Fred couldn't keep him off the floor. Breaking an NCAA records for Assist-to-Turnover Ratio as a freshman, was just the beginning, he has only gotten better and he is only going to have a better year this year.
Again, not meant to be a dig on Ejim, but Monte is a once in a blue moon type player, where Ejim was an unbelievable worker who out-produced his expectations continually, solely on work-ethic and doing to little things for a team that needed a solid glue-guy.