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Williams & Blum Pod: Takeaways from Dallas, the JT Rock reclassification and more

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Williams & Blum: Takeaways from Dallas, & JT Rock reclassifies - Cyclone Fanatic

Chris Williams and Brent Blum have a lot of thoughts on Iowa State and other Big 12 programs following last week’s media day event in Dallas. Plus, JT Rock has reclassified and will join the Iowa State basketball program this fall. Why did this go down and how will it impact the Cyclones? These...
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I would not have guessed the yards/play was about on par with previous more successful seasons.
 
I liked the rock piece. Who knows how FB will play out hopefully a bowl game. (7 wins before it I'm still not a fan of .500 teams going to a bowl.
 
The hypothetical scenario where we don’t have gambling penalties yet by week 1 and still need to hold players out just in case is everything you need to know to burn down the NCAA as a whole.
 
NWICY said:
I liked the rock piece. Who knows how FB will play out hopefully a bowl game. (7 wins before it I'm still not a fan of .500 teams going to a bowl.
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Have to get rid of a whole bunch of bowls for this to stop.

Personally I don't see as much different than 6-5 teams going when 11 games was the normal schedule which has happened for over 30 years.
 
madguy30 said:
Have to get rid of a whole bunch of bowls for this to stop.

Personally I don't see as much different than 6-5 teams going when 11 games was the normal schedule which has happened for over 30 years.
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It just me personally, that's why I said 7 games if you win 7 games the team is at least pretty good
I'm poor and have never went to a bowl game but when a 5 or 6 win team gets in I would have no desire to go and if it's not ISU not much of a desire to watch it.
 
NWICY said:
It just me personally, that's why I said 7 games if you win 7 games the team is at least pretty good
I'm poor and have never went to a bowl game but when a 5 or 6 win team gets in I would have no desire to go and if it's not ISU not much of a desire to watch it.
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Yeah they're generally not very good games but they're on the TV in the background so they get the viewers.

If having a winning record was a qualifier they wouldn't fill the games.
 
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I always think the "we should have fewer bowls" argument is incredibly dumb.

If you don't like the bowls for 6-6 teams, don't watch them or go to them. The market will sort itself out. Plenty of people prefer to do both. Don't **** on other people's fun. The 'prestige' in bowls hasn't been from simply making a bowl in decades. That prestige comes from what bowl you make now
 
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alarson said:
I always think the "we should have fewer bowls" argument is incredibly dumb.

If you don't like the bowls for 6-6 teams, don't watch them or go to them. The market will sort itself out. Plenty of people prefer to do both. Don't **** on other people's fun. The 'prestige' in bowls hasn't been from simply making a bowl in decades. That prestige comes from what bowl you make now
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The 'prestige' imo was a mirage to start with. The origin of bowls was for making money and it expanded because it worked. Just like the NCAA tourney and and and.

'Yeah but going to a bowl in 1974 meant you had a really great team' is what I get told but the reality is except for the teams' fans, hardly anyone knows or cares if the team was good.

I have family that do a bowl betting deal like $5/game that I've thought about trying just to make it more interesting.
 
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That wouldn't be the NCAA's fault probably. Blame Iowa Gambling Commission
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It wouldn't be the NCAA's fault in terms of the timeline. But part of the reason the players would be sitting out would be to prevent extra punishment from the NCAA for playing players who are ineligible (vacating any wins or other program penalties).

Given the nature of the situation and it being out of the NCAA's control, I feel like it would be reasonable for them to tell Iowa State and Iowa that there won't be extra penalties from players playing before the investigation is done, but also that any games sat out will count towards the punishments.
 
madguy30 said:
The 'prestige' imo was a mirage to start with. The origin of bowls was for making money and it expanded because it worked. Just like the NCAA tourney and and and.

'Yeah but going to a bowl in 1974 meant you had a really great team' is what I get told but the reality is except for the teams' fans, hardly anyone knows or cares if the team was good.

I have family that do a bowl betting deal like $5/game that I've thought about trying just to make it more interesting.
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And back then they were often invited halfway through the season. ISU's 72 liberty bowl season was due to an invite early in the season when they were 5-2 at the time. They went on an 0-3-1 record from there, finishing 5-5-1 and then losing the bowl game.
 
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alarson said:
And back then they were often invited halfway through the season. ISU's 72 liberty bowl season was due to an invite early in the season when they were 5-2 at the time. They went on an 0-3-1 record from there, finishing 5-5-1 and then losing the bowl game.
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That 1972 Liberty Bowl is my first Cyclone memory.
So, it served a purpose in the grand scheme of things.
:)
 
madguy30 said:
The 'prestige' imo was a mirage to start with. The origin of bowls was for making money and it expanded because it worked. Just like the NCAA tourney and and and.

'Yeah but going to a bowl in 1974 meant you had a really great team' is what I get told but the reality is except for the teams' fans, hardly anyone knows or cares if the team was good.

I have family that do a bowl betting deal like $5/game that I've thought about trying just to make it more interesting.
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Conference Bowl tie-ins played a major factor as well. ISU went 8-3 and finished in the top 20, but failed to make a bowl game back in 1976.
 
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ScottyP said:
Conference Bowl tie-ins played a major factor as well. ISU went 8-3 and finished in the top 20, but failed to make a bowl game back in 1976.
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Not so much in the 70s. It was basically just conference champs that had tie-ins.

Beyond that, the rest was backroom dealing in late October/early November. Even though official invites couldn't be extended until late November (usually the Saturday before Thanksgiving), matchups were mostly decided and known about two weeks before that.
 
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ScottyP said:
Conference Bowl tie-ins played a major factor as well. ISU went 8-3 and finished in the top 20, but failed to make a bowl game back in 1976.
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Only the Conferece Champions were tied in back in 1976. Big 8 Champ to Orange (Colorado), SEC to Sugar (Georgia), SWC to Cotton (Houston) Pac-8 and Big 10 to Rose (USC vs. Michigan), *WAC to the Fiesta (Wyoming)* and Southland to Independence (McNeese State). There just were not enough Bowl games (12), and the Big 8 was DEEP (4 Bowl teams + 8-3 ISU). Colorado went to the Orange as Big 8 Champion, Nebraska went to the Bluebonnet Bowl as an at-large team, Oklahoma went to the Fiesta Bowl as an at-large team and Oklahoma State went to the Tangerine Bowl as an at-large team. ISU could have been chosen by any of those Bowl Game and / or the Sun, Peach, Gator Liberty or Independence. The only Bowl that could not have chosen ISU in 1976 was the Rose. Ironically, 1976 was my first Bowl Game to attend: Alabama vs. UCLA @ Liberty.

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Not so much in the 70s. It was basically just conference champs that had tie-ins.

Beyond that, the rest was backroom dealing in late October/early November. Even though official invites couldn't be extended until late November (usually the Saturday before Thanksgiving), matchups were mostly decided and known about two weeks before that.
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Beat me to it! :)
 
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