Otz makes 247's midseason coach of the year top 10 list

I just don't understand how coaches that have been 1-3 seeds in the tourney the last few years all of a sudden are COY candidates. They aren't doing anything differently.
I get it if there's roster turnover or if they're still overachieving. I gave Sampson as an example because I've seen a few games this year and he's got some good freshmen.
St. Mary's has a really, really good Fr point guard and that coach was listed in the mentions.
 
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I just don't understand how coaches that have been 1-3 seeds in the tourney the last few years all of a sudden are COY candidates. They aren't doing anything differently.
On one hand, I kind of agree, on the other, if they're the best coach, they should still win awards for being the best coach. It's not a "who overachieved the most" award.

It's like MVP awards for the NBA or NFL. Lebron should have probably won the MVP 10 years in a row, but they give it to other players who have breakout years (Durant, Curry, Rose).
 
Otz picked 8th and Tang picked 10th in the toughest league, can't go to anyone else this year.
Recusing myself on TJ, I would vote for Tang easily. KSU picked mostly last, total re-boot.

Pitino & Miller? Gross.
Barnes, Oates, and Painter? Had a ton coming back, no magic there.
The other 3 guys idk who they are (which is on me, maybe they are great).
 
On one hand, I kind of agree, on the other, if they're the best coach, they should still win awards for being the best coach. It's not a "who overachieved the most" award.

It's like MVP awards for the NBA or NFL. Lebron should have probably won the MVP 10 years in a row, but they give it to other players who have breakout years (Durant, Curry, Rose).
My dad used to say "a great coach can beat you with his players, and then turn around and beat you with YOUR players too".


I think that is the idea; a lesser coach can win with a great team coming back but to start from scratch and have the same level of success requires a lot more effort. "Degree of difficulty" gets added to the actual performance, I suppose is how I think about it.
 
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FAU and Charleston coaches deserve it for sure. Those are teams I would not want to see the first weekend of the tourney if I were a P6 school in the 7-10 seed range.
 
On one hand, I kind of agree, on the other, if they're the best coach, they should still win awards for being the best coach. It's not a "who overachieved the most" award.

It's like MVP awards for the NBA or NFL. Lebron should have probably won the MVP 10 years in a row, but they give it to other players who have breakout years (Durant, Curry, Rose).
Yep, there are certainly situations where a great coach is faced with a lot of roster turnover, and ends up with similar results to their standard really good year. If they have a loaded roster returning, I think they have to clearly be elite to warrant consideration.
 
My dad used to say "a great coach can beat you with his players, and then turn around and beat you with YOUR players too".


I think that is the idea; a lesser coach can win with a great team coming back but to start from scratch and have the same level of success requires a lot more effort. "Degree of difficulty" gets added to the actual performance, I suppose is how I think about it.
What's harder? Being great every year, or being great once every 10 years?
 
FAU and Charleston coaches deserve it for sure. Those are teams I would not want to see the first weekend of the tourney if I were a P6 school in the 7-10 seed range.
I looked into FAU a little. They haven't played many teams but their metrics are pretty solid. A good comp is San Diego St.
 
I just don't understand how coaches that have been 1-3 seeds in the tourney the last few years all of a sudden are COY candidates. They aren't doing anything differently.

So you want it to be "Breakout Coach of the Year" and go to the coach that year that wasn't expected to do well.

Part of being a coach is building your program to be successful year in year out, why should a coach be penalized for being consistently good?
 
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