ISU leaves AAU

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As we've feared for years, ISU is no longer a member of the AAU. It sounds like it would have been voted out within the coming years, so the university took the less painful step of voluntarily removing itself.

While this is by far the worst thing to happen to ISU in recent memory, it is not necessarily fatal. It is, however, an obvious sign of the university's academic decline. As has been discussed before, ISU's lack of a medical school was a severe drag on its membership, and the research for which ISU is known is discounted in the AAU's ranking methodology. Its funding has been continually slashed by the state legislature. ISU's dramatic slide down other higher education rankings will likely continue at an accelerated pace, while attracting top researchers will be even more difficult than before.

I'd love to hear some discussion, but in my view, the university likely has two alternate paths going forward:
  1. Focus on undergraduate education and maintain itself as an affordable destination for strong students. Allow research to slowly take the backseat to undergrad education, but continue to provide world-class research in strong areas only.
  2. Focus on returning to world-class, comprehensive university status. Push harder for more funding, drive up donations, and attempt to start a small medical school (there is already great research happening between the veterinary department and other departments) or merge with Des Moines University and bring its facilities to Ames. Use momentum to boost other research areas, and return to AAU within the decade. Expand percentage of post-graduate students to match AAU peers. Push for a return to higher state funding by demonstrating the university's significant (and underrated) value to the state of Iowa.
The second path is incredibly ambitious, and not at all what I would expect the complacent university administration to choose. If successful, however, it could restore the university's reputation for research and strong academics that it has slowly been losing. That said, the largest barrier is state funding. The state of Iowa seems to be set on destroying its once-great university system (and K-12 education, for that matter).

Honestly, I don't know how to feel. This is the worst thing that could have possibly happened to ISU, but it wasn’t unexpected. That said, higher education is changing - and changing dramatically. It may be unrecognizable in a decade or two. Perhaps ISU will be able to thrive as a primarily undergraduate institution. This could be a likely path. On its current trajectory, I do see research beginning to decline as a proportion of the university's activities. Today, this would have a dramatically negative effect on the university's funding and reputation. However, it's impossible to say how much this will matter in a decade or two. It seems higher education is on the precipice of massive change, and I don't claim to know what the future landscape will look like. I also don't know how ISU will choose to position itself in that landscape.

I do know what the current landscape looks like, however, and in this landscape, the above second path (or some variation on it) may be the university's only chance at reclaiming its status as a prestigious research university.

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Sorry, I wasn't being dramatic enough. This is the worst thing to happen to this university. Ever. Not only that, it’s bad for the state of Iowa.

ISU Administration: take whatever cash you can spare and work out a merger with Des Moines University. Ask major donors for support; this is the moment you've needed it most. Move their facilities to Ames so the AAU considers the medical research attributable to ISU. Develop an MD program while maintaining the DO program à la Michigan State. Collaborate with other sciences departments on medical research. Do it within two years. The university has been compromised and there's very little time to undo the damage. Play the AAU's game before you can't play any game at all.

Iowans: Vote and save your education system. Your legislature is too effective at defunding education and scaring off talented researchers (see legislature’s repeated attempts to eliminate tenure). Best of luck to those of you who live in Iowa and want to educate your kids there.
 
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Wonder if he means a heavy concentration on Ag, Engineering and the Physical Sciences, with Vet Med as the "professional" school? Paring down areas of study to what our historical strengths were?
 
I find this whole AAU trend in society very troubling. Our healthcare system is horrible considering how much money is dedicated to it. In my 60 plus years of existence, the healthcare process which has improved the most is hospice. Are we living longer? Not really. Are we living healthier? Definitely not. Are we pummeled with drugs as the answer? Yes. Is that really a measure of success? Not in my book. Is it all bad? No. There are some great accomplishments. But, again, not proportional to money being put into it. And this is SYSTEMIC. Beginning with the educational process. As far as I'm concerned the AAU is at the forefront of the problem. It's 'reactive' by nature which only condones unhealthy habits. This is where ISU can really shine; promoting healthier foods, safer to market processes, while not sacrificing yields; all of which the healthcare industry would prefer NOT to happen. It's no surprise the AAU wants to discredit ISU.
 
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I find this whole AAU trend in society very troubling. Our healthcare system is horrible considering how much money is dedicated to it. In my 60 plus years of existence, the healthcare process which has improved the most is hospice. Are we living longer? Not really. Are we living healthier? Definitely not. Are we pummeled with drugs as the answer? Yes. Is that really a measure of success? Not in my book. Is it all bad? No. There are some great accomplishments. But, again, not proportional to money being put into it. And this is SYSTEMIC. Beginning with the educational process. As far as I'm concerned the AAU is at the forefront of the problem. It's 'reactive' by nature which only condones unhealthy habits. This is where ISU can really shine; promoting healthier foods, safer to market processes, while not sacrificing yields; all of which the healthcare industry would prefer NOT to happen. It's no surprise the AAU wants to discredit ISU.

I posted in one of the deleted threads (because this topic is 100% political) that the distinction between food/food science and medicine is way too strong. The fields should be merging more and more.

In 100 years it’s going to seem barbaric that the medical industry paid such little attention to food.

In many ways I feel a dog can get better healthcare because a good vet is more likely to base the care around his diet. Humans take their food choices far too personally and emotionally.
 
Didn't see the older threads. Haven't been on the website in some time.

Hopefully, there can be some reasonable discussion here.

It inevitably comes down to funding and people can’t handle that talk.

Look at the remaining institutions, they aren’t the types of schools getting frequent funding cuts.
 
I posted in one of the deleted threads (because this topic is 100% political) that the distinction between food/food science and medicine is way too strong. The fields should be merging more and more.

In 100 years it’s going to seem barbaric that the medical industry paid such little attention to food.

In many ways I feel a dog can get better healthcare because a good vet is more likely to base the care around his diet. Humans take their food choices far too personally and emotionally.
This is what gets me. I just don’t get how agriculture research isn’t viewed as a more important field than it is. Look at Norman Borlaug, he’s credited with saving over a billion people from starvation. You can’t tell me food isn’t related to health.
 
Before this one gets shut down too (no idea why the others were, even the cave ones), it sounds like AAU doesn't credit USDA research so that hurts us. Also cuts to education from politicians have not helped either.
 
This is what gets me. I just don’t get how agriculture research isn’t viewed as a more important field than it is. Look at Norman Borlaug, he’s credited with saving over a billion people from starvation. You can’t tell me food isn’t related to health.

Macro and micro it’s short sighted to disconnect food and medical. Need to get rid of western idea that it’s just silly hippies focused on healing through diet.
 

I'd love to hear some discussion, but in my view, the university likely has two alternate paths going forward:
  1. Focus on undergraduate education and maintain itself as an affordable destination for strong students. Allow research to slowly take the backseat to undergrad education, but continue to provide world-class research in strong areas only.
  2. Focus on returning to world-class, comprehensive university status. Push harder for more funding, drive up donations, and attempt to start a small medical school (there is already great research happening between the veterinary department and other departments) or merge with Des Moines University and bring its facilities to Ames. Use momentum to boost other research areas, and return to AAU within the decade. Expand percentage of post-graduate students to match AAU peers. Push for a return to higher state funding by demonstrating the university's significant (and underrated) value to the state of Iowa.

Iowans: Vote and save your education system. Your legislature is too effective at defunding education and scaring off talented researchers (see legislature’s repeated attempts to eliminate tenure). Best of luck to those who are in Iowa.
Option number 1 seems to be how the Board of Regents sees it. From the Board’s site:

University of Iowa​

Iowa City, Iowa

The University of Iowa is home of the world-renowned Iowa Writer's Workshop, and the National Advanced Driving Simulator, the University of Iowa is a comprehensive public university committed to high quality teaching, research, and service. The University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics, ranked among America's best hospitals, provide exceptional health care, medical education, and cutting-edge research. Founded in 1847 as the state's first public institution of higher learning, the university enrolls more than 32,000 students and offers a number of top-ranking programs.

Iowa State University​

Ames, Iowa

Iowa State University is an international university with a friendly welcoming personality. Students from 50 states and more than 100 countries come to Ames, Iowa, to choose from 100 majors, study with world-class scholars and hone their leadership skills in 800-plus student organizations. Iowa State offers a great environment where students can enjoy reaching their potential and discovering their passions. This land-grant university, enrolls 36,001 undergraduate and graduate students. ISU Extension benefits Iowans in all 99 counties with research-based learning opportunities.”

Compare ISU and Iowa’s descriptions. No mention of anything tangentially research related in ISU’s description. The Board, maybe in collusion with the administration, doesn’t want ISU to be a comprehensive institution. It’s a damn shame, and bad for the state.

I’m writing a letter to my representatives and asking my friends and family to do so as well. In my research I’ve found that ISU’s state appropriation has decreased 49% in real terms since 2000, while the state’s annual budget has increased 47% and the state’s cash reserves 324%, both in real terms. Similar trends have occurred at UI and UNI, and UI has seen similar drops down academic rankings.

More disturbingly, the state appropriates 23% more per student to UI than ISU in “General University appropriation.” It is unclear how those exactly those appropriations are spent, but according to the BoR General Fund Operating Budgets FY 2022, the General University appropriation is distinct from appropriations to UI Hospitals or ISU Extension.

This would appear to show that the difference in appropriation is not medical school related, as is commonly thrown about.

Additionally, when you account for university endowments, using a 5% withdrawal rate and excluding the $956M endowment (FY 2020) of UI Hospitals, this becomes a 34.7% difference in funding per student between UI and ISU. For what it’s worth, UNI is funded better on a per student basis than even UI, but I’d presume this is due to economies of scale.

Why does an ISU student deserve less than his counterpart at Iowa?
 
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Sounds like there was a pretty uncomfortable faculty meeting that brought up some hard questions. One of which was the lack of trust many of them feel they can have in Wintersteen and other administrators who, just months ago, were talking up ISU's academic credentials and how impressive and important its AAU membership is to that. Now all of a sudden, it's not important. Not a good look, could've been handled much better. And before you start banging on a hok chiming in on this I have one daughter currently attending ISU and another who will in fall 2023, so yes I have a vested interest in this.
 
Option number 1 seems to be how the Board of Regents sees it. From the Board’s site:



Compare ISU and Iowa’s descriptions. No mention of anything tangentially research related in ISU’s description. The Board, maybe in collusion with the administration, doesn’t want ISU to be a comprehensive institution. It’s a damn shame, and bad for the state.

I’m writing a letter to my representatives and asking my friends and family to do so as well. In my research I’ve found that ISU’s state appropriation has decreased 49% in real terms since 2000, while the state’s annual budget has increased 47% and the state’s cash reserves 324%, both in real terms. Similar trends have occurred at UI and UNI, and UI has seen similar drops down academic rankings.

More disturbingly, the state appropriates 23% more per student to UI than ISU in “General University appropriation.” It is unclear how those exactly those appropriations are spent, but according to the BoR General Fund Operating Budgets FY 2022, the General University appropriation is distinct from appropriations to UI Hospitals or ISU Extension.

This would appear to show that the difference in appropriation is not medical school related, as is commonly thrown about.

Additionally, when you account for university endowments, using a 5% withdrawal rate and excluding the $956M endowment (FY 2020) of UI Hospitals, this becomes a 34.7% difference in funding per student between UI and ISU. For what it’s worth, UNI is funded better on a per student basis than even UI, but I’d presume this is due to economies of scale.

Why does an ISU student deserve less than his counterpart at Iowa?
I suspect it is a function of the way the iowa legislature has treated budgeting over the past few decades - that if you aren't overspending your budget (i.e., being responsible), your budget gets cut. Would be interested in a comparison year-over-year of general fund appropriations, operating budgets, and budget spend for each university in the state.
 
Sounds like there was a pretty uncomfortable faculty meeting that brought up some hard questions. One of which was the lack of trust many of them feel they can have in Wintersteen and other administrators who, just months ago, were talking up ISU's academic credentials and how impressive and important its AAU membership is to that. Now all of a sudden, it's not important. Not a good look, could've been handled much better. And before you start banging on a hok chiming in on this I have one daughter currently attending ISU and another who will in fall 2023, so yes I have a vested interest in this.
Yes I mentioned this in the initial AAU thread. They are calling for Wendy to appear at the next faculty senate meeting and explain some things - some pretty upset faculty leaders who are frustrated about her style, her priorities, and her lack of communication.
She's been in way over her head since the day the Regents named her president.
 
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