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Cyclones_R_GR8

Cyclones_R_GR8

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The Hall of Fame game is tonight which ends the off season and officially kicks off the preseason.

Broncos vs Falcons tonight and then next week we'll get a full slate of preseason games. Sure they're meaningless but football is back!!!
 
BigJCy said:
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An eight million dollar raise just barely puts him in the top ten of highest paid QBs in the NFL this season. So the formula to winning multiple Super Bowls is to have an all time great head coach and an all time great QB who's also ready and willing to play for years on a salary roughly worth less than half his market value.
 
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jbindm said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/03/andrew-luck-will-not-practice-next-week/

I'm really trying hard to not hit the panic button but this calf strain or whatever it is has now lingered for about three months. The way they keep pushing back his return feels a little like all the shoulder drama from a couple years back. There's a difference between just being cautious with the franchise QB and him flat out not being healthy.
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Andrew is starting to look like a busterino. Maybe not a bust... But worrisome
 
Rabbuk said:
Andrew is starting to look like a busterino
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I think that after the shoulder stuff there's always going to be some extra concern every time he gets dinged up. The worst case scenario is that the previous front office and coaching staff permanently broke him.

I trust this current leadership a bit more when they talk about his condition, but it's a little worrisome when something as mild as a calf strain suffered in early May would hang around into training camp.

But a bust? Come on. You saw what he did last season. If not for Mahomes that was an MVP-caliber season. And look at some of those teams he dragged to the postseason early in his career. Right away he was saddled with an incompetent GM and coaching staff and he still carried them to the playoffs when they had no business being there.
 
jbindm said:
I think that after the shoulder stuff there's always going to be some extra concern every time he gets dinged up. The worst case scenario is that the previous front office and coaching staff permanently broke him.

I trust this current leadership a bit more when they talk about his condition, but it's a little worrisome when something as mild as a calf strain suffered in early May would hang around into training camp.

But a bust? Come on. You saw what he did last season. If not for Mahomes that was an MVP-caliber season. And look at some of those teams he dragged to the postseason early in his career. Right away he was saddled with an incompetent GM and coaching staff and he still carried them to the playoffs when they had no business being there.
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Idk when he was drafted he was talked about like he was going to be a legend.
 
Rabbuk said:
Idk when he was drafted he was talked about like he was going to be a legend.
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QBs picked first overalls are always going to have great expectations. I think he's proven himself as a legit franchise quarterback. Putting a bust label on a guy with the second best preseason MVP odds only behind Mahomes seems nonsensical to me.
 
jbindm said:
QBs picked first overalls are always going to have great expectations. I think he's proven himself as a legit franchise quarterback. Putting a bust label on a guy with the second best preseason MVP odds only behind Mahomes seems nonsensical to me.
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Yeah, he's definitely not a bust. I'm not sure that he's lived up to the expectations, though. He was a can't miss prospect out of college. Teams were falling all over themselves to take him. "Suck for Luck" and all that.
Entering his 9th season now, and while he's totally an upper echelon franchise quarterback when healthy, I'm not sure that he's been the transcendent player that people expected him to be when he was drafted.
 
Mr Janny said:
Yeah, he's definitely not a bust. I'm not sure that he's lived up to the expectations, though. He was a can't miss prospect out of college. Teams were falling all over themselves to take him. "Suck for Luck" and all that.
Entering his 9th season now, and while he's totally an upper echelon franchise quarterback when healthy, I'm not sure that he's been the transcendent player that people expected him to be when he was drafted.
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Ya he kind of reminds me of Anthony Davis in the NBA. All star player but likely won't ever win a ring, and isn't living up to the GOAT talk
 
Mr Janny said:
Yeah, he's definitely not a bust. I'm not sure that he's lived up to the expectations, though. He was a can't miss prospect out of college. Teams were falling all over themselves to take him. "Suck for Luck" and all that.
Entering his 9th season now, and while he's totally an upper echelon franchise quarterback when healthy, I'm not sure that he's been the transcendent player that people expected him to be when he was drafted.
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That's a fair criticism. I wouldn't say he's been a bust or even underwhelming, it's just that he came into the league hyped as the second coming and he was probably never going to live up to those expectations. He still throws too many picks and the whole offense still goes AWOL for long stretches with no real explanation why. But I think the back half of his career is set up way better than the first half was. He has a competent front office now, a roster stocked with young talent, and Reich looks like he can get the job done as a head coach.

I think that in trying to carry some of those bad teams Luck picked up some bad habits along the way and he also absorbed a ton of physical punishment. The trick going forward will be eliminating those turnovers caused by trying to force something and staying healthy.
 
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Rabbuk said:
Ya he kind of reminds me of Anthony Davis in the NBA. All star player but likely won't ever win a ring, and isn't living up to the GOAT talk
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Interesting comparison. They both came in with sky high (unfair?) expectations. Notable that both played for some pretty dysfunctional organizations early in their respective careers.
 
jbindm said:
An eight million dollar raise just barely puts him in the top ten of highest paid QBs in the NFL this season. So the formula to winning multiple Super Bowls is to have an all time great head coach and an all time great QB who's also ready and willing to play for years on a salary roughly worth less than half his market value.
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It helps that Gisele makes like $30M a year... Plus that $23M is just Brady's official salary. His TB12 company "works" for the Patriots so they can pay him on the side too. How they get away with that is beyond me. It's the perfect blend of sketchiness and luck a town like Boston and a franchise like the Patriots deserves...
 
Dandy said:
It helps that Gisele makes like $30M a year... Plus that $23M is just Brady's official salary. His TB12 company "works" for the Patriots so they can pay him on the side too. How they get away with that is beyond me. It's the perfect blend of sketchiness and luck a town like Boston and a franchise like the Patriots deserves...
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No doubt Brady's going to have a chance to buy a minority ownership stake in the team at a steep discount after he retires, too. Him and Kraft are way too cozy. Tom Brady's not stupid. He didn't leave money on the table so the team could spend elsewhere. He just kicked the payday down the road.
 
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Cyclones_R_GR8 said:
Luck spent too many seasons getting beat up and the wear and tear is taking its toll.
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It's possible. This is now two offseasons in a row where he's missed significant time with a lingering injury. And depending on which rumors you want to believe, this calf strain is either something that he suffered in April or it's something that carried over from late last season and either never healed or got re-aggravated somewhere along the way.

On the other hand, he started eighteen games last season and looked just fine. Right now as a Colts fan I'd say that on a scale of 1-10 my concern level regarding Luck is at about a 6. I still think he'll be good to go for the start of the regular season or sooner but it's troubling that he's been rehabbing the injury now for at least three months and it still isn't right.
 
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