Nick Saban retiring

I really think you should go back and at what you are calling struggling before Saban. Gene Stallings won a national championship in 1993 a decade after Bryant left. What you are calling struggling, most teams would sign up for in a heartbeat, and it's not like Michigan, Florida and others have not struggled worse after losing a long-time coach.
The problem with winning at a high level is the fans expect to continue to do so, look at Day at OSU, people want him out, and he is winning 12 games a season.
Right On! A matter of perspective. Between Bryant and Saban (1983-2006), Alabama won a National Championship (1992), won 3 SEC Championships (1989, 1992 and 1999), won the SEC West (1992, 1993, 1994, 1996 and 1999), won 10 or more games (1986, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2002 and 2005) and won 11 Bowl Games (including a Sugar and a Cotton). The problem was that they were inconsistent and had some stinker years in there too - including 5 losing seasons (1984, 1997, 2000, 2003, and 2006). Saban stopped the slide.
 
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I'm starting to get the "close to" end of Bobby Bowden's FSU vibe with Dabo.
Hell of a run. Top 5/10 teams for a while, and now creeping into the teens/twenties. I feel like Clemson could have a lot of 9ish win teams going forward but I'm not sure if that gets them into the 12 team playoffs.
If Norvell is at FSU they are taking the autobid most years and I doubt Clemson gets an at large unless both them and FSU go undefeated and they lose in the conference championship game
 
This is a very important hire. Alabama is a good job, but no job is good enough to win at an elite level without the right coaching. Just look at Texas. Add in the factor of who wants to be the guy to replace the legend and things get extra interesting.
 
This is a very important hire. Alabama is a good job, but no job is good enough to win at an elite level without the right coaching. Just look at Texas. Add in the factor of who wants to be the guy to replace the legend and things get extra interesting.
Yeah this is pretty massive. Dabo a couple years ago makes sense but the last two years plus his crazy comments don’t make him that appealing.

The other thing is that unless they get a NFL coach like Vrabel, they are most likely going to be taking from the ACC (nail in the coffin) or stealing from the SEC which is going to open up another job.

Michigan will promote from within if Harbaugh leaves but the bama hire is going to have major ripples.
 
My thoughts are the same as AlaCyclone. An NFL would be a good target. Ryans would be awesome based upon his early returns at Houston.

However, if you are Ryans why leave? Similar money. You have a stud QB that will be there more than four years. No boosters to suck up to. No NIL. No year round recruiting.

I have no idea why Ryans would leave the Texans. C.J. Stroud is about to win rookie of the year, and that's a good, young roster with a QB on a cheap deal that could compete for championships as soon as next year. And if Stroud is the real deal, there's no reason you couldn't have a long and lucrative run there.

Most new NFL coaches would kill for such a situation.
 
Plus, it sounds like he gave little early inclination to his AD, so it is probably scramble the jets time at Bama. Might take awhile. Lanning already indicated no, but we have all seen that story play out before.

I bet the AD had more warning that we think. And he will have already had a list of possible replacements, just like every other AD worth a damn has in their file cabinet.

Also, knowing what a master leader and planner Saban is, he probably has already identified a guy (or three) he sees as his successor and the AD would be in on that too. I'd be shocked if Saban hasn't been doing his succession planning for 5 years...
 
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That's always been a bogus selling point. Most NFL cities are "colder weather cities" and almost every kid being recruited to ANY of these schools has NFL aspirations. Being able to sell a kid on Ann Arbor (infinitely better college town than Tuscaloosa) with proximity to Detroit (activities) shouldn't be that hard.

If anything it's EASIER to recruit the southern kids as the NIL makes it easier for their families to come watch them play. That was always a big advantage for the regional schools as those kids wanted to be closer to home as (many) came from poor families. That's no longer the issue with the NIL.

Recruiting to Michigan, Columbus, LA, Athens, and Austin isn't a problem. Assuming each school has the SAME resources (for staff and facilities), where would YOU want to live? Recency bias aside, Bama isn't a better place than those schools.
What school is putting more players in the NFL than Alabama year after year. It's not Michigan for sure, no kid picks a school to attend because it's close to an NFL city, if that was the case, Rutgers would be a national powerhouse. Kids pick schools because they want to play for championships and because they can use that to get to the next level. They are not spending the rest of their life living there, only 3 to 5 years, and then they move on. No, it is not easier to recruit southern kids to the north, even with NIL, when they could be getting that same money from a school in the South.

You have come up with reason after reason to why Alabama will fail after Saban gone, none of which is true, the bar is very high, but they have plenty of money in their athletic funds and are one of a handful of universities that can grab 4/5 star recruits all across the country. Make a good hire, they drop down some, but only back to the level that LSU, Michigan and Ohio State are currently at, before it was Clemson and Alabama, then it was Georgia and Alabama, now it's just Georgia at the top for a while, but that will end also. Michigan will lose their coach this week to the NFL, and if not, they will be losing a ton off their roster, so they will not be in any better shape than many, as of today, its Georgia's championship next season.
 
I have no idea why Ryans would leave the Texans. C.J. Stroud is about to win rookie of the year, and that's a good, young roster with a QB on a cheap deal that could compete for championships as soon as next year. And if Stroud is the real deal, there's no reason you couldn't have a long and lucrative run there.

Most new NFL coaches would kill for such a situation.
The idea that Demeco Ryans would leave Houston and what looks to be a really good franchise QB is one of the more humorous suggestions but maybe Ryans is into masochism.
 
I bet the AD had more warning that we think. And he will have already had a list of possible replacements, just like every other AD worth a damn has in their file cabinet.

Also, knowing what a master leader and planner Saban is, he probably has already identified a guy (or three) he sees as his successor and the AD would be in on that too. I'd be shocked if Saban hasn't been doing his succession planning for 5 years...

I'd be surprised if any AD actually has that list. That's just not how managers work.
 
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What school is putting more players in the NFL than Alabama year after year. It's not Michigan for sure, no kid picks a school to attend because it's close to an NFL city, if that was the case, Rutgers would be a national powerhouse. Kids pick schools because they want to play for championships and because they can use that to get to the next level. They are not spending the rest of their life living there, only 3 to 5 years, and then they move on. No, it is not easier to recruit southern kids to the north, even with NIL, when they could be getting that same money from a school in the South.

You have come up with reason after reason to why Alabama will fail after Saban gone, none of which is true, the bar is very high, but they have plenty of money in their athletic funds and are one of a handful of universities that can grab 4/5 star recruits all across the country. Make a good hire, they drop down some, but only back to the level that LSU, Michigan and Ohio State are currently at, before it was Clemson and Alabama, then it was Georgia and Alabama, now it's just Georgia at the top for a while, but that will end also. Michigan will lose their coach this week to the NFL, and if not, they will be losing a ton off their roster, so they will not be in any better shape than many, as of today, its Georgia's championship next season.
Michigan is losing a ton of their roster? That’s news to me and everyone else.

You do realize that before saban got there Bama was an after though in cfb, kind of liek Nebraska the past 15+ years. Great history but a non factor.

Bama is able to recruit the top classes because of Saban’s track record of putting people in the NFL. If the new coach comes in and keeps them in the playoff every year and wins some big games they will be fine. If they don’t they turn into USC/Texas/Michigan after bad hires which is no where near the status they were at under saban.
 
What school is putting more players in the NFL than Alabama year after year. It's not Michigan for sure, no kid picks a school to attend because it's close to an NFL city, if that was the case, Rutgers would be a national powerhouse. Kids pick schools because they want to play for championships and because they can use that to get to the next level. They are not spending the rest of their life living there, only 3 to 5 years, and then they move on. No, it is not easier to recruit southern kids to the north, even with NIL, when they could be getting that same money from a school in the South.

You have come up with reason after reason to why Alabama will fail after Saban gone, none of which is true, the bar is very high, but they have plenty of money in their athletic funds and are one of a handful of universities that can grab 4/5 star recruits all across the country. Make a good hire, they drop down some, but only back to the level that LSU, Michigan and Ohio State are currently at, before it was Clemson and Alabama, then it was Georgia and Alabama, now it's just Georgia at the top for a while, but that will end also. Michigan will lose their coach this week to the NFL, and if not, they will be losing a ton off their roster, so they will not be in any better shape than many, as of today, its Georgia's championship next season.

1. That's a very large chasm. Close rounds do not make close fights and the difference between Alabama of the past however many years Saban was there and the next level over that same time period is massive.

2. They could lose a ton. They could also return a ton. They will return something in the middle.
 
Michigan is losing a ton of their roster? That’s news to me and everyone else.

You do realize that before saban got there Bama was an after though in cfb, kind of liek Nebraska the past 15+ years. Great history but a non factor.

Bama is able to recruit the top classes because of Saban’s track record of putting people in the NFL. If the new coach comes in and keeps them in the playoff every year and wins some big games they will be fine. If they don’t they turn into USC/Texas/Michigan after bad hires which is no where near the status they were at under saban.
According to this site they were playing a lot of seniors and kids that will go pro, so ya, I would say they are losing a lot. Please you are really comparing Alabama to the current Nebraska team? Hell they won a national championship after Bryant retired and before Saban was hired. Mike Shula won 10 games there, no, they were never close to what Nebraska has become for over a decade.

 
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According to this site they were playing a lot of seniors and kids that will go pro, so ya, I would say they are losing a lot. Please you are really comparing Alabama to the current Nebraska team? Hell they won a national championship after Bryant retired and before Saban was hired. Mike Shula won 10 games there, no, they were never close to what Nebraska has become for over a decade.

Nah not really. The issue is most of the guys are not expected to be drafted high. There are only about 2-3 guys expected to go in the second round or earlier. Most are later round draft picks that have eligibility left. There is also the free covid year that they all have so the senior designation isn’t very accurate.

Totally get how you get to that conclusion though.
 

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