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Tough day for EIU hoops hopes

cycloner29 said:
Those goofs over on GIA spouted that Garza was the best player to ever come out of Iowa...well he's still in Iowa playing in the G-League that's how out touch with reality squack fans are. Now its Clark. Yet they are still enamored with Murray's one standout game where he hit for 11 threes so is he still in the running.
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What did they mean, best ever to come out of the University of Iowa? Best college player ever to play at an Iowa school?
If you are arguing best career at an Iowa school, I think Garza has a great argument for #1 considering he won player of the year. But he is definitely not the best player to come from the Uof I considering a guy on his own team, Keegan is better. He wouldn't even be in the top 5 to me just out of UofI. It would be
BJ Armstrong
Ricky Davis
Keegan Murray
Don Nelson
John Johnson

I would also have guys like Brady Lohaus, Kevin Gambe, Reggie Evans who had long NBA careers ahead of Garza in that aspect.
 
Halincandenza said:
Weird complaint considering she grew up in Des Moines...
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I'm just saying the proximity of her hometown and her college town doesn't warrant this being considered a "homecoming" game by the local media.

I think of what Roy Williams used to do for all the Iowa kids he poached to UNC, he'd set-up a game close to their hometown their senior year. I believe Marcus Paige (Marion Lin-Marr) believe played a game at UNI (and lost).
 
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psycln11 said:
I'm just saying the proximity of her hometown and her college town doesn't warrant this being considered a "homecoming" game by the local media.

I think of what Roy Williams used to do for all the Iowa kids he poached to UNC, he'd set-up a game close to their hometown their senior year. I believe Marcus Paige (Marion Lin-Marr) believe played a game at UNI (and lost).
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Was going to mention this too. Coach K and Roy both tried to do this for their seniors. I just find it hilarious that Iowa didn't even try to schedule a couple worthy opponents. Also, Wells Fargo is a terrible basketball venue.
 
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Halincandenza said:
What did they mean, best ever to come out of the University of Iowa? Best college player ever to play at an Iowa school?
If you are arguing best career at an Iowa school, I think Garza has a great argument for #1 considering he won player of the year. But he is definitely not the best player to come from the Uof I considering a guy on his own team, Keegan is better. He wouldn't even be in the top 5 to me just out of UofI. It would be
BJ Armstrong
Ricky Davis
Keegan Murray
Don Nelson
John Johnson

I would also have guys like Brady Lohaus, Kevin Gambe, Reggie Evans who had long NBA careers ahead of Garza in that aspect.
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I should have said the State of Iowa. My fault. That way we have quite a few to mention. Garza POY and playing in the G league. Tyrese.....he gettin paid!!!
 
BillBrasky4Cy said:
Was going to mention this too. Coach K and Roy both tried to do this for their seniors. I just find it hilarious that Iowa didn't even try to schedule a couple worthy opponents. Also, Wells Fargo is a terrible basketball venue.
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It's a bad arena in general and that's what happens when you rush to build 'something' rather than doing it the right way. Horrible, narrow concourses and awful sightlines in the bowl.

The world would have kept on spinning had DSM lost HS Basketball and Wrestling for a couple years.
 
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Halincandenza said:
What did they mean, best ever to come out of the University of Iowa? Best college player ever to play at an Iowa school?
If you are arguing best career at an Iowa school, I think Garza has a great argument for #1 considering he won player of the year. But he is definitely not the best player to come from the Uof I considering a guy on his own team, Keegan is better. He wouldn't even be in the top 5 to me just out of UofI. It would be
BJ Armstrong
Ricky Davis
Keegan Murray
Don Nelson
John Johnson

I would also have guys like Brady Lohaus, Kevin Gambe, Reggie Evans who had long NBA careers ahead of Garza in that aspect.
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Career NBA minutes for Hawkeyes...

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You have to go way down for Garza. Iowa State in comparison...

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I cut it off at the Top 21 in both cases to account for Garza.
 
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1UNI2ISU said:
It's a bad arena in general and that's what happens when you rush to build 'something' rather than doing it the right way. Horrible, narrow concourses and awful sightlines in the bowl.

The world would have kept on spinning had DSM lost HS Basketball and Wrestling for a couple years.
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The Well sucks. Once Caitlyn Clark graduates attendance will fall off a cliff. Was a pretty light crowd for the opener anyway.

 
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1UNI2ISU said:
It's a bad arena in general and that's what happens when you rush to build 'something' rather than doing it the right way. Horrible, narrow concourses and awful sightlines in the bowl.

The world would have kept on spinning had DSM lost HS Basketball and Wrestling for a couple years.
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Go down to T-Mobile in KC. These arenas are built within a few years of each other and holy crap they are night and day. The dumbest thing polk county ever did was build an arena designed around minor league hockey.
 
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Hawkize31 said:
It just feels bad because Freeman is what you thought Omaha would be
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FTR, I like Freeman, and I think he should end up having a quality college career. And Omaha is far from setting the world on fire to put it generously mild...

But despite the struggles, unless people expected Omaha to be a gangly stiff try-hard Lurch who's all elbows and knees with a 25 inch vertical, dubious athleticism, and a relatively low ceiling (high floor tho.)...

...I don't think anything Freeman does or will ever do approach anything Omaha has been projected or even hoped to be capable of doing. They are in and will always be in different worlds with different paths, parallel universes even.

That is to say, if Omaha figures it out, then the basketball world is his and everything in it. He would (theoretically) at that point be able to do it all and have it all. If Owen Freeman maximizes, then he will be a really nice college Center that can do a few things really well and a few things absolutely horribly and hopelessly bad.

In the era of postion-less interchangeability and versatility, this is just classic iowa and emblematic of iowa bball as a whole for a very long time. Your comment is a very iowa fan kind of comment to make. The subject as a whole is out of your depth. The game has managed to pass all of you by.
 
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BillBrasky4Cy said:
Go down to T-Mobile in KC. These arenas are built within a few years of each other and holy crap they are night and day. The dumbest thing polk county ever did was build an arena designed around minor league hockey.
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Enterprise Center in StL was built 12 years before WF and it was nicer pre-reno. It's VASTLY superior now.

The funny thing is that the race to save the HS tournaments screwed the associations because Hilton for basketball and the Dome for wrestling would have given them better atmospheres AND better revenue than what they got.
 
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Keegan Murrays 47 point game was only because of the guys on his team. If the defense hadnt collapsed on Sabonis all night and the trapping of Monk he doesnt get those good looks. System shooter.
 
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rosshm16 said:
In a recent John Miller & CW podcast (after the Hilton Massacre I think), Miller was rambling about how good Iowa's frontcourt would be if they were playing off of Garza, a player who graduated three years ago. Also brought up BJ Armstrong for some reason. EIU fans have a weird fixation/romanticization of the Great Hawkeyes of Yore.
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Cato would have ripped Garza's head off and shoved it up his ass if we want to get all nostalgic.
Halincandenza said:
Weird complaint considering she grew up in Des Moines...
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Yea, completely weird that a Cyclone fan would be making an observation on a thread titled 'Tough Day for EIU Hoop hopes.' Not sure what you thought you might see in this thread.
 
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Halincandenza said:
What did they mean, best ever to come out of the University of Iowa? Best college player ever to play at an Iowa school?
If you are arguing best career at an Iowa school, I think Garza has a great argument for #1 considering he won player of the year. But he is definitely not the best player to come from the Uof I considering a guy on his own team, Keegan is better. He wouldn't even be in the top 5 to me just out of UofI. It would be
BJ Armstrong
Ricky Davis
Keegan Murray
Don Nelson
John Johnson

I would also have guys like Brady Lohaus, Kevin Gambe, Reggie Evans who had long NBA careers ahead of Garza in that aspect.
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Garza is the most decorated player to ever come out of Iowa.
 
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