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Should Florida State skip the Orange Bowl?

Should Florida State skip the Orange Bowl?

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Feel bad for the kids - but it is a good life lesson. No matter what you do - some outside force can derail your dreams and goals.

I know the first reaction is to say F it and not play, but this could be a memory that they will regret some day.
 
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Didn't they already formally accept? If that is the case then they need to play. Not fair to Georgia or the Orange Bowl which would need to find another team or cancel.
 
intrepid27 said:
Didn't they already formally accept? If that is the case then they need to play. Not fair to Georgia or the Orange Bowl which would need to find another team or cancel.
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The school accepted. But in this day and age of college football, that doesn’t mean you’ll have enough players to play the game. During Covid, the NCAA quantified that number of players needed to play a game at 53. If enough players opt out that they can’t field a 53 man roster, what should the school do?
 
SolterraCyclone said:
Part of me wants them to sit out for the drama. And to damage ESPN and to a much lesser degree the SEC financially

However sitting out the game would do more damage to FSU and the ACC financially, so it’s not really worth it. They should play, try to win, but refuse to participate in any ESPN stuff (pre, post, in-game interviews, promotion for the game, etc.)
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Or participate in the espn crap and just **** all over them from coaches to the players. Give Marshawn Lynch type interviews and then kick Georgias ass
 
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Florida State has to be careful. If they want in the SEC, they can't do anything that alienates ESPN plus they still have to coexist with them as long as they're in the ACC.

It may be young guys and walk-ons but they'll show up.
 
Gonzo said:
The ACC is the one who started all this by raiding and blowing up the Big East in the early 2000s. Kind of ironic.
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As the Boston College AD accidently slipped up and said "ESPN made us do it".
 
1UNI2ISU said:
Florida State has to be careful. If they want in the SEC, they can't do anything that alienates ESPN plus they still have to coexist with them as long as they're in the ACC.

It may be young guys and walk-ons but they'll show up.
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This is why I think the school needs to be fully committed and let the players opt out if they want to protest. If enough players sit out, then FSU has no choice but to forfeit the game but it wasn’t the decision of the school or athletic department.
 
GTO said:
Disagree. If they beat Georgia the narrative would be the Georgia players opting out, Georgia not being motivated because they were not in the CFP, etc. This game is a lose-lose for FSU.
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That certainly is another way to view it. But if narrative is to double-down to that degree. let that analysis be exposed for what it is.
 
Play and help your argument that you should've been in the playoff. Don't whine anymore at this point. Show up, win, take the money to keep improving the program. If they don't, stop whining about money.
 
Gonzo said:
Yeah I get that but at the time the SWC was on the serious decline because of all the scandals and NCAA violations, weren't schools at that time looking to jump ship? The ACC raiding the Big East seemed like the first blindside by one conference of an equally strong peer conference. Maybe that's just the way I remember it.
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Where to start with the SWC? Recruiting scandals, Texas schools being Texas schools, etc etc.

Really, the final straw was the changing media landscape. After the NCAA lost control of media rights in 1984, every outside of the PAC and Big 10 sold their rights together through the CFA. That started to fall apart when Notre Dame left for their own NBC deal in 1991 and the SEC started to take steps to leave as well (included adding Arkansas and South Carolina). Texas and A&M were in an all-Texas conference with a whole lot of smaller schools, which wasn't going to make it easy to get their own deal. When the SEC got their own deal and left the CFA ahead of the 1994 season, the SWC was all but done.
 
jbhtexas said:
The first domino was Oklahoma and Georgia winning their TV rights lawsuit against the NCAA back in the early 1980s.
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This is true … but before that decision the NCAA controlled the TV rights for college football, and there was literally only one or two games broadcast each Saturday. The bonanza of college football games we get each week is a direct result of that case.

(I think there was a short period where the big conferences actually cooperated with their TV rights, in something called the College Football Association/CFA - I remember that logo on the TV for college football games back in the day. But then the conferences realized they could cash in by keeping their own rights, and, well … here we are.)

Now, could the NCAA have opened up more TV opportunities for teams, getting us to a viewing landscape similar to today while avoiding losing the lawsuit and letting the conferences run wild? Probably … but that required a vision and foresight that’s been lacking at NCAA forever and still doesn’t exist today.
 
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This is true … but before that decision the NCAA controlled the TV rights for college football, and there was literally only one or two games broadcast each Saturday. The bonanza of college football games we get each week is a direct result of that case.

(I think there was a short period where the big conferences actually cooperated with their TV rights, in something called the College Football Association/CFA - I remember that logo on the TV for college football games back in the day. But then the conferences realized they could cash in by keeping their own rights, and, well … here we are.)

Now, could the NCAA have opened up more TV opportunities for teams, getting us to a viewing landscape similar to today while avoiding losing the lawsuit and letting the conferences run wild? Probably … but that required a vision and foresight that’s been lacking at NCAA forever and still doesn’t exist today.
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Conference realignment for the sole purpose of making more money is also a direct result of that case.

The sports networks would have needed content to fill their expanding cable time slots, and CFB would have been an obvious source to fill that content need. I think the networks would have approached the NCAA, and perhaps they could have worked something out to share revenue and preserve conference alignment. Now...would the big schools have remained content with revenue sharing, knowing there was a possibility to make more money??? Ehhh...probably not.
 
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I don’t give a F what they do, so I voted no just to cause the most chaos and controversy, and show how stupid this whole system is.
 
Let's Go Seminoles!

I hope they go to the Orange Bowl with an attitude and take it out on UGA and finish 14-0 Orange Bowl Champions!

I've been following FSU football since before Bowden became the HC in 1976, and I even attended Bowden's first Bowl Game at FSU, when the 9-2 Seminoles stomped Texas Tech in the 1977 Tangerine Bowl.

In 1978, FSU went (8-3) and did not Bowl. Ironically, they were one of the final two teams considered to play ISU (8-3) @ 1978 Hall of Fame Classic, but the Bowl folks chose Texas A&M (7-4) instead.

Then, in 1979, FSU had a breakout year and finished (11-0) but missed out on playing a highly enough ranked team to contend for the National Championship and went to the Orange Bowl and played (10-1) Oklahoma (where they lost 7-24). They went back the next year and lost again, but by only one point (17-18) to OU.

Had some good but not great years (playing tough intersectional games as an Independent) from 1981 (Octoberfest) - 1986 before they finally kicked it up a notch again and started their Dynastic run in 1987 with many of those GREAT years ending in an Orange Bowl victory.

People tend to forget that during the Dynasty years, FSU often got the benefit of a doubt with a loss like they did in 1993 (over ND and WVU), 1998 (over Ohio State) and 2000 (over Washington and Miami). So, they have been on both the bad and the good end of this situation.

Point is that this is not the end of the world, and they have the chance to go to the Orange Bowl (which they love), kick Bulldog butt (which would be fun) and be very, very proud of a 14-0 Orange Bowl Championship season! FSU (which is in the panhandle not far from the Alabama and Georgia state lines) draws heavily from the Gold Coast (West Palm Beach to Miami) and have a HUGE alumni presence in South Florida. The Orange Bowl should be rocking!

As a matter of fact, if they win the Orange Bowl it would be only their third Undefeated, Untied Bowl Championship season with 1999 and 2013 being the other two as most of their seasons have had a loss or two over the years.

IMO, a 14-0 2023 Orange Bowl Championship team would be more impressive than the 1993 (12-1) AP / Coaches National Championship FSU team. I'd fly a flag and fly it HIGH!

Let's Go Seminoles!
 
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NorthCyd said:
Quit being crybabies and play the damn game. Sorry, I do not find FSU to be a sympathetic figure in this at all. They are actively trying to blow up their own conference to join the SEC. Got screwed by a culture they helped create.
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Not only that but the ACC commissioner helped keep the 12 team playoff from happening this year. You know, part of that genius "Alliance" between the ACC/B1G/PAC.

FSU surely could've lobbied to get him replaced or to change his tune. There wasn't any reason really to delay the expanded playoff starting until next season.

It sucks to be them, but it was entirely preventable.
 
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