***2023-24 NCAA FB coaching carousel***

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That would make no sense, IMO. A guy goes from having the best situation in a conference to a tougher one - I don't see that going well for Indiana. They'd be better hiring a FCS guy or a guy whose been in a situation where its about developing gems and what not rather than having the best setup.

But I could be wrong
 
That would make no sense, IMO. A guy goes from having the best situation in a conference to a tougher one - I don't see that going well for Indiana. They'd be better hiring a FCS guy or a guy whose been in a situation where its about developing gems and what not rather than having the best setup.

But I could be wrong
Brent Vigen seems like a guy that could win at Indiana. Head Coach at Montana State after being the OC at Wyoming and NDSU. Pro style system that you'd feel like he could get the right talent for there. I think Jason Eck at Idaho would do okay too but he's a really weird dude but not in a charming Mike Leach kind of way.
 
That would make no sense, IMO. A guy goes from having the best situation in a conference to a tougher one - I don't see that going well for Indiana. They'd be better hiring a FCS guy or a guy whose been in a situation where its about developing gems and what not rather than having the best setup.

But I could be wrong

It's not that much different than what we did. Supposedly Candle was pretty high on Michigan State's list too.
 
Brent Vigen seems like a guy that could win at Indiana. Head Coach at Montana State after being the OC at Wyoming and NDSU. Pro style system that you'd feel like he could get the right talent for there. I think Jason Eck at Idaho would do okay too but he's a really weird dude but not in a charming Mike Leach kind of way.
Right. Or heck, even a Chris Creighton at Eastern Michigan. Yeah, his record is not great. But he won at Drake. He's winning at Eastern Michigan and going bowling on the regular.

Yes, his overall record at Eastern Michigan is not great. But at the same time, its freaking Eastern freaking Michigan. I doubt it happens but you want to talk about a coach whose a developmental coach, is used to winning places where its really hard to win at , recruits in a similar foot print and has generally won everywhere he's gone... IDK.

Its never going to happen because his record is never going to get approved with boosters

32-9 at Ottawa
63-15 at Wabash
44-22 at Drake

52-67 at Eastern Michigan BUT outside of the first two years where they went 2-21 and then he went since then

50-46, 6 bowl games in the last 7 years , 3 bowls in a row...


at EASTERN MICHIGAN.


I'm just saying. If I was Indiana, I would not win the press conference - but I'd look at a coach like him.

Sean Lewis, former Kent State Head coach and Colorado OC... I'd look at him too as Indiana
 
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It's not that much different than what we did. Supposedly Candle was pretty high on Michigan State's list too.
True but Indiana is arguably in a worst situation than Iowa State. Or comparable. I just - IDK. Campbell took over following Beckman, who under achieved, after Amstutz, whose ending was rough - so while their backgrounds are similar I'm not sure one is the same as the other.

Plus, Indiana has done this before, hired a guy who was won a lot at a smaller conference as the Big dog.


If I'm Indiana, I'm hiring a guy whose used to winning with small resources, who knows how to find gems and develop them and is used to competing against big boys without the resources. Because that's who you are at Indiana.

I'd say Candle would have made sense at Michigan State because they are similar to Toledo, or more similar to Toledo than Indiana
 
True but Indiana is arguably in a worst situation than Iowa State. Or comparable. I just - IDK. Campbell took over following Beckman, who under achieved, after Amstutz, whose ending was rough - so while their backgrounds are similar I'm not sure one is the same as the other.

Plus, Indiana has done this before, hired a guy who was won a lot at a smaller conference as the Big dog.


If I'm Indiana, I'm hiring a guy whose used to winning with small resources, who knows how to find gems and develop them and is used to competing against big boys without the resources. Because that's who you are at Indiana.

I'd say Candle would have made sense at Michigan State because they are similar to Toledo, or more similar to Toledo than Indiana

That makes sense.

I followed the Michigan State coaching search pretty closely on their 247 board the last couple of months. First, because I was interested in seeing if Campbell's name came up and then because it was such a ******* **** show. If I ever think we are a stupid fan base, I'll think of that fan base and realize that we are not the stupidest. They were pretty clueless---they thought that a sitting head coach was going to be named prior to the end of the season (i.e. they couldn't understand why they would have to wait for Jonathan Smith to finish off his season) and they really thought they had a shot at Urban.
 
I don't know that Candle is a good coach. His record is great but....

Winning at Toledo is kinda like winning at Alabama when its running right. You have more money, more resources, more everything than anyone else in the MAC. And by a WIDE margin in most cases. All you really have to do at Toledo is not screw it up.

So, Michigan State therefore is not a great job because you are not going to have more resources than the biggest teams in the Big 10.

You are not going to get the top talent.
You are not the big fish in the pond in your conference.
You're not even one of the top 4-5 biggest fish.


That's why even though IDK how well it works out, Smith or someone like Elko, Campbell, etc makes perfect sense.

Guys who have proven they can develop kids / young men. Guys who can win at places that aren't the easiest to win at. Guys who can compete with the blue bloods without having the same resources. Smith has done that at Oregon State. Campbell's done it at Iowa State. Elko did it at Duke, Leipold, etc, etc.

Michigan State has more resources and pull than any of those schools. But its not out competing Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, USC, etc... so it is a freaking home run hire in terms of personality and knowing who you are and what you need to be good.


Candle may turn out to be a very good coach. But he's winning in a place that always wins. And doing it at a place that always dominates or at least in modern memory.


I don't doubt that Kirby and Saban and Dabo are great coaches. But - IMO, the Campbell's, Elko's, Leipolds, Smith's, etc - are among the best coaches in football not because of their record or championships, but because of their ability to develop, identify and then compete against teams that have an easy button that they themselves don't have
I agree with a lot of this but especially the recruiting side. From a resource stand point sparty is 12th in the nation for revenue, 3 spots behind Penn State (less than 10 mil) but much higher than Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA. When we have played well we have been easily on par with Penn state (since they can’t win any big games) and with partial shares for the PNW schools we will be much more flush then all the PAC additions.

However recruiting has always put a hard ceiling on the program. Dantonio was able to work magic by turning 2/3 star players into first round draft picks. Once that magic dried up the cupboard was bare. That was the big reason for the Tucker love, he was bringing in top tier recruits that was supposed to close the gap. If smith can coach up players and get some wins better recruits can and will show up.

No one is expecting nattys or even big ten championships. But splitting games with Michigan (harder task now) and regularly getting 8-9 wins with the occasional run or playoff bid is realistic. Next year alone he could easily double this years win total with an easy schedule and decent coaching.
 
That makes sense.

I followed the Michigan State coaching search pretty closely on their 247 board the last couple of months. First, because I was interested in seeing if Campbell's name came up and then because it was such a ******* **** show. If I ever think we are a stupid fan base, I'll think of that fan base and realize that we are not the stupidest. They were pretty clueless---they thought that a sitting head coach was going to be named prior to the end of the season (i.e. they couldn't understand why they would have to wait for Jonathan Smith to finish off his season) and they really thought they had a shot at Urban.
Meyer was never happing and those message boards are full of the worst type of fan. It’s why I avoid them like the plague.
 
Meyer was never happing and those message boards are full of the worst type of fan. It’s why I avoid them like the plague.

True and I speak as someone who frequents message boards.

The funniest one was the that so many of them thought they were going to hire a sitting coach during the season. That never happens anywhere.
 
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