F*CK IOWA

[exCyDing]

So in what situation is it OK for a penalty to be called if it affects the outcome of a game?

I get giving a little leeway in the waning moments. Maybe you hold the flag on a block to the back 5 or 10 yards behind a returner. Yes, it’s a penalty but it didn’t impact the play either way.

The line is when does calling the penalty decide the game vs when does not calling the penalty decide the game? Did MN players ease up when DeJean waived? Does DeJean take that to the house without the waive? It’s hard to say, so IMO you’ve got to call it.

 

[madguy30]

Pretty much yes

I'm trying to think of what we yelled. Probably 'poison' or something.

 

[isufbcurt]

I'm trying to think of what we yelled. Probably 'poison' or something.

We yelled Peter or Red

 

[GoHawks]

So in what situation is it OK for a penalty to be called if it affects the outcome of a game?

Would need to be obvious again for me. I'd be the college basketball ref that let's guys get away with probably too much late in the game. I don't think this little half effort wave that nobody in the stadium thought was a fair catch does it for me.

 

[GoHawks]

Are you saying it's common for someone to wave off a punt and advance it unnoticed?

Could they review this one instead?

I think it happens yes, I think usually it's 3-5 yards and nobody notices it. Heck that happened Saturday but it was a TD

 

[iahawks]

I get giving a little leeway in the waning moments. Maybe you hold the flag on a block to the back 5 or 10 yards behind a returner. Yes, it’s a penalty but it didn’t impact the play either way.

The line is when does calling the penalty decide the game vs when does not calling the penalty decide the game? Did MN players ease up when DeJean waived? Does DeJean take that to the house without the waive? It’s hard to say, so IMO you’ve got to call it.

I seriously doubt that Minny even saw that waving motion by Cooper. It looked like they tried to immediately tackle him when he fielded the ball. I think Cooper scores on that play regardless of waving or no waving.

 

[madguy30]

Would need to be obvious again for me. I'd be the college basketball ref that let's guys get away with probably too much late in the game. I don't think this little half effort wave that nobody in the stadium thought was a fair catch does it for me.

No, it wasn't a fair catch wave, so they would be correct if nobody thought it was a fair catch.

But it was a wave, and any sort of wave counts just like the WI called back TD from years ago.

 

[GoHawks]

No, it wasn't a fair catch wave, so they would be correct if nobody thought it was a fair catch.

But it was a wave, and any sort of wave counts just like the WI called back TD from years ago.

OK nobody thought it was a Invalid fair catch either except someone not even in the stadium.

 

[madguy30]

OK nobody thought it was a Invalid fair catch either except someone not even in the stadium.

It was an invalid fair catch though. That's the ruling.

If you wave in any way, and advance the ball, it's an invalid fair catch.

Just like the WI example that was the same result: dead ball.

You're usually pretty reasonable so it's a little odd to not let this go.

 

[CydeofFries]

I think every Minnesota player saw the wave and wasn't sure if it was a fair catch wave or not. Oh it's impossible to tell that? That's the point! And why the rule says any waving rules the play dead on fielding the ball.

Seriously, if they blew the play dead every Iowa fan would be arguing that they blew it dead too quick and they should let it play out so they can review it.

 

[ISUTex]

Pretty much yes

Exactly. Peter is not an official term in a rule book. Neither is poison, osky, bingo or fire. Hawk fans are probably making a case though.

 

[Cyhig]

OK nobody thought it was an Invalid fair catch either except someone not even in the stadium.

Let’s answer these questions:

1) did the punt returner wave his arms prior to catching the ball? Video evidence says “Yes”

2) what happens if #1 occurs? Ball is considered dead at the spot where the receiver catches the ball

3) did the officials therefore get the call correct? Yes, the call is correct as defined by the rules

4) were there other infractions during the play? Yes. An Iowa defender left his feet and leaped over a stationary blocker. That is a 15 yard penalty and since it occurred before the kick, the kicking team is awarded an automatic first down

5) was #4 called or is it reviewable? No, it was missed by the officials and the infraction is not reviewable

6) Given the 5 questions from above, what can we conclude? We can conclude the officials did indeed make a mistake: Minnesota should had received a first down, nullifying the invalid fair catch and subsequent punt return altogether

Not sure why Iowa fans are still upset about this

 

[MuskieCy]

Would need to be obvious again for me. I'd be the college basketball ref that let's guys get away with probably too much late in the game. I don't think this little half effort wave that nobody in the stadium thought was a fair catch does it for me.

You would never be a college BB official with that attitude.

You would be despised HS BB official with that attitude.

Stick to being an ignorant living room official.

 

[tomar1]

This 100%. Cooper’s reaction after scoring seems to back this theory IMO.

Lucky basturds didn’t luck out finally! Tough ****!

 

[madguy30]

Let’s answer these questions:

1) did the punt returner wave his arms prior to catching the ball? Video evidence says “Yes”

2) what happens if #1 occurs? Ball is considered dead at the spot where the receiver catches the ball

3) did the officials therefore get the call correct? Yes, the call is correct as defined by the rules

4) were there other infractions during the play? Yes. An Iowa defender left his feet and leaped over a stationary blocker. That is a 15 yard penalty and since it occurred before the kick, the kicking team is awarded an automatic first down

5) was #4 called or is it reviewable? No, it was missed by the officials and the infraction is not reviewable

6) Given the 5 questions from above, what can we conclude? We can conclude the officials did indeed make a mistake: Minnesota should had received a first down, nullifying the invalid fair catch and subsequent punt return altogether

Not sure why Iowa fans are still upset about this

I would guess they actually thought they had a chance at the CFP.

I figured they'd only drop one more but I think at least Nebraska gets them.

Would be hilarious if NW did.

 

[qwerty]

Because people are reading the drive chart, not realizing that penalty yards are included in it.

It was 12 yards of offense.

9 rushes for -8 yds.
15 pass attempts for 20 yds.

1st drive: started on 25, ended on 25: 0 yards (punt)
2nd drive: started on 17, ended on 11: -6 yards (fumble)
3rd drive: started on 25, ended on 28: 3 yards (punt)
4th drive: started on 24, ended on 27: 3 yards (punt)
5th drive: started on 25, ended on 7: -18 yards (punt)
6th drive: started on 14, ended on 41: 27 yards (punt)
7th drive: started on 46, ended on 39: -7 yards (interception)

total them up = 2 yards

 

[Cyhig]

1st drive: started on 25, ended on 25: 0 yards (punt)
2nd drive: started on 17, ended on 11: -6 yards (fumble)
3rd drive: started on 25, ended on 28: 3 yards (punt)
4th drive: started on 24, ended on 27: 3 yards (punt)
5th drive: started on 25, ended on 7: -18 yards (punt)
6th drive: started on 14, ended on 41: 27 yards (punt)
7th drive: started on 46, ended on 39: -7 yards (interception)

total them up = 2 yards

As stated earlier, penalties do not count against total offensive yards. Iowa officially had 12 yards of offense and 10 offensive penalty yards in the second half

 

[theshadow]

5th drive: started on 25, ended on 7: -18 yards (punt)

Again, the drive chart includes penalty yards -- which are not offense.

The -18 was -8 offense and -10 penalty.

So, like I said before: 12 yards of offense and 10 yards of penalty.

 

[Cloned4Life]

I seriously doubt that Minny even saw that waving motion by Cooper. It looked like they tried to immediately tackle him when he fielded the ball. I think Cooper scores on that play regardless of waving or no waving.

Haha, are you f***ing serious!? Literally six Gophers slowed down and made basically no real attempt at a tackle. Dejean did a very, very slow tip toe little spin thing and no Minnesota player made any real effort at all. Could not have been more clear that Minnesota believed there was going to be no return. Cooper “scored” because over HALF of the opposing team was OUT OF THE PLAY - physically and mentally - instantly.

PS. He didn’t score. He performed an invalid waving gesture. Credit to him for trying to get away with it. Thank God there is a presence in the universe to call out suckeye douchisms every once in a while.

 

[qwerty]

So just we are all clear, the Big 10 acknowledges the invalid fair catch was the correct call and Iowa should had been called for a penalty for leaping. Yep... Iowa was the ones that were "screwed"

We need one more thing on this play to go against Iowa. That would be the ultimate trifecta

Well, they were bad mouthed by media for throwing objects at MN team (and their own cheerleaders for some reason) when that is justifiable action according to Iowa fanboy writers. And the B1G failed to acknowledge the Iowa fans for their upstanding behavior. How dare they!