F*CK IOWA

No it isn't a live ball. Not until it's touched by the return team. Here's how you can tell. During a punt, if the receiving team doesn't call for a fair catch and doesn't make an attempt to field the ball, can the kicking team take possession?
Nope. They can only down it, ergo it's a dead ball. On a kickoff the kicking team can take possession of the ball (provided it travels more than 10 yards) without the receiving team having touched it. That's a live ball. A punt is not.
A punt is a scrimmage kick and is a LIVE ball. The clock is running during a scrimmage kick. You’re confusing this with a free kick which is a kickoff.
 
A punt is a live ball until it either is touched down by the kicking team or touched by the receiving team. The kicking team cannot advance a punted ball unless it has been touched by the kicking team first.
That is why you see officials waiting until the ball is downed by the kicking team to blow their whistle stopping the clock.
If it was a dead ball, why is the clock still running after the kick returner has gotten out of the way, reason it does not become dead until it either cross the goal line for a touchback or is downed, thereby stopping the clock.
Awesome explanation and you are correct!
 
And Dochtermann talked about when he used to run, a long time ago, he flailed his arms too. OMG! You seriously believe that's how DeJean Cooper runs?

This turns out to be a dead line of reasoning for them. The rulebook says the returner can't wave their arms, period, end of discussion. It doesn't list an exception for players that flail their arms like a wounded orangutan when they run.

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Because if I am a defender running down the field to cover a punt and I see the returner wave his arm in any motion that tells me I CAN"T hit him without getting a penalty.

If you allow the returner to wave his arm at shoulder level the coverage team then has to interpret whether he made a fair catch signal or not. I'd rather not have a player running down the field as fast as he can be left to make that decision.
Right. The earlier suggestion might be one of the single stupidest things I’ve read here; make the coverage team, while sprinting at full speed, ensure they have eyes on the punt returner and interpret in real time the exact angle of his arm waving motion. And don’t *uck up or it’s an bigtime penalty. And also make the refs laser focus on the exact angle and height level of said waiving motion. LOL - I am laughing thinking how stupid of a suggestion that is.

The rule as it exists might be one of the single most simple and straight forward (and logical) rules in the entire rulebook. And IF the ref messes up and doesn’t blow the whistle, or for whatever reason isn’t quite sure if what he’s seeing is a ‘pointing gesture’ vs. a ‘waving gesture’ - simply let the play “play out” and correct it on replay. That simple. How many times in football do we ***** at officials for blowing the whistle when ALL THEY HAD TO DO is let it play out, and correct it on replay (if needed). Any type of player, interception returns, plays close to the sideline, etc. Let the play PLAY OUT! The world is a much, much better place that the ruling was implemented correctly on Saturday, and it’s perfectly normal and fine (and awesome!) that it took the replay to confirm the correct call.
 
Almost every call in football is a judgement call - Holding, PI, FG that goes right over the goal post, targeting, etc., etc.

Wave your hand above your head = valid fair catch, cant advance the ball

Wave your hand in any other manner than above your head = INvalid fair catch and still can't advance the ball.

Iowa did #2 above and then tried to advance the ball.

The only thing that would have made that play better is if someone blew up (and I mean absolutely annihilated him) the Iowa returner after he tried to run with the ball.
If the play is dead on the invalid catch, would getting blown up by the defender then be a late hit? And would Hawkeye fans want that penalty added upon review? Feels like a Hawkeye paradox that will make their heads explode
 
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Glad EIU got beat, but this is a rule that would be easily clarified.

On any fair catch protection, the returning must wave his arm above his head, anything but that is considered a live ball and can be returned. For the protection to occur the arm must be extended above his head, the near official will immediately blow his whistle after the ball is caught, signaling a dead ball.
This rule was added because teams were waving their arms just below their heads to gain an advantage and get the tacklers to let up so they wouldn't get a penalty. It worked and it was unfair, that is why the rule was added. Sometime in the 80s or 90s I think. The rule is much better this way, any waving and the play is dead when the receiving team has the ball. A valid fair catch gives the receiver protection, an invalid does not, there would not be a penalty if they are tackled, but the play is dead. The rule is perfect the way it is, your way leads to ambiguities.
 
If the play is dead on the invalid catch, would getting blown up by the defender then be a late hit? And would Hawkeye fans want that penalty added upon review? Feels like a Hawkeye paradox that will make their heads explode
No, an invalid fair catch signal does not give you protection from being tackled, only a valid fair catch signal does that. Question, did they penalize Iowa five yards for delay of game like they should have?
 
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If the play is dead on the invalid catch, would getting blown up by the defender then be a late hit? And would Hawkeye fans want that penalty added upon review? Feels like a Hawkeye paradox that will make their heads explode
See post #577
 
The Big 10 better be leveling a hefty fine...
On KCRG in CR just a few minutes ago... they asked both Marvin McNutt and Scott Dochtermann about it... and they looked like fools.

McNutt said it was a horrible call and that DeJean's hand was nowhere near above his head. No s**t idiot... you still have no idea what was called 2 days later? Get a clue buddy.

And Dochtermann talked about when he used to run, a long time ago, he flailed his arms too. OMG! You seriously believe that's how DeJean Cooper runs? We've all seen him run a LOT this season Scott.... and he looks nothing like that.
These people are seriously deranged. They CANNOT just accept that Iowa lost a football game fair and square to Minnesota and PJ Fleck. The arrogance is so off the charts.
So there are two sets of rules. One for normal players. One for Iowa.
 
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All you have to do is go to YT and search "invalid fair catch" and there are dozens of examples. Plus a whole lot of Hawk tears.
 
30 years from now, some Hawkeye fan will die and his obituary will read “Steve was a Hawkeye fan and to this day he says Cooper DeJean was robbed.”
 
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Went to Missouri game this past weekend and it’s safe to say Missouri really hates Kansas still because during a timeout the whole crowd was chanting F*ck KU it was hilarious!
 
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On KCRG in CR just a few minutes ago... they asked both Marvin McNutt and Scott Dochtermann about it... and they looked like fools.

McNutt said it was a horrible call and that DeJean's hand was nowhere near above his head. No s**t idiot... you still have no idea what was called 2 days later? Get a clue buddy.

And Dochtermann talked about when he used to run, a long time ago, he flailed his arms too. OMG! You seriously believe that's how DeJean Cooper runs? We've all seen him run a LOT this season Scott.... and he looks nothing like that.
These people are seriously deranged. They CANNOT just accept that Iowa lost a football game fair and square to Minnesota and PJ Fleck. The arrogance is so off the charts.
This is what I’m talking about. It’s baffling to me. The rule is quite straightforward. To the point that I won’t waste my time explaining it. If you can’t just read it and understand…I don’t see how you ever will.
 
Almost every call in football is a judgement call - Holding, PI, FG that goes right over the goal post, targeting, etc., etc.

Wave your hand above your head = valid fair catch, cant advance the ball

Wave your hand in any other manner than above your head = INvalid fair catch and still can't advance the ball.

Iowa did #2 above and then tried to advance the ball.

The only thing that would have made that play better is if someone blew up (and I mean absolutely annihilated him) the Iowa returner after he tried to run with the ball.
Living in the world of tax law really focuses the mind on rules and regulations.
 
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This turns out to be a dead line of reasoning for them. The rulebook says the returner can't wave their arms, period, end of discussion. It doesn't list an exception for players that flail their arms like a wounded orangutan when they run.

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and I heard dejean complaining about the officiating crew had not done any of ia games so they didnot know how he did things, like run. what a putz with the whining
 
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