Asking again: Has the rot started to set in?

[cyclone1209]

Sometimes in life you just have to step up and admit when something isn’t working anymore. If this doesn’t feel like the Rhoads era or the Prohm times in basketball, then maybe you weren’t around for those eras.

The rot has started to set in but I am not ready to move on from CMC. Does that make sense?

- Campbell has turned down many big jobs to stay here. For now, that still means something to me.
- I will give CMC more slack than a Rhoads or a Prohm, b/c CMC has takent this program to great heights in years like the Alamo Bowl year and the Fiesta Bowl, Big 12 title game. Other fired coaches have not even come close to success like that.

Now if we miss a bowl this year, miss a bowl again next year, i'm starting to be all the way out.

 

[joefrog]

Answering again, posts like this are the rot. Do you honestly think that this garbage doesn’t get back to the entire coaching staff? Shut the **** up or coach yourself!!!! Can a moderator please remove this guy and others from the forum?

Good.

We got rid of Manning and made Campbell actually address special teams.

Maybe they'll also be forced to dump the idiotic Mt. Union run game and get creative with the offense.

Our routes in the passing game might be the worst in football.

 

[cyclone1209]

I have Campbell under contract. We can not afford his buyout this early. Odds are better to let Campbell try to figure it out. You retain Heacock’s defense which you lose if Campbell is fired.

2003 was much more painful than this. I lived through it. 116th out of 117th in points scored. And Mac got more chances.

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Buddy, if you think 116th is bad on offense in 2003, how's 127th right now?
That's where we are right now. There are three total programs worse than us. I got sick looking at this by the way.

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[Cmonwhatarewedoinghereman]

Buddy, if you think 116th is bad on offense in 2003, how's 127th right now?
That's where we are right now. There are three total programs worse than us. I got sick looking at this by the way.

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One of the teams above us have played against two good sec defenses. They also crushed a fbs school which we cannot do. Same record, 1-2.

 

[907CY]

If changes aren't made, we will be 1-11, and the rot will have set in and is now crawling up the walls.

 

[deadeyededric]

The rot has started to set in but I am not ready to move on from CMC. Does that make sense?

- Campbell has turned down many big jobs to stay here. For now, that still means something to me.
- I will give CMC more slack than a Rhoads or a Prohm, b/c CMC has takent this program to great heights in years like the Alamo Bowl year and the Fiesta Bowl, Big 12 title game. Other fired coaches have not even come close to success like that.

Now if we miss a bowl this year, miss a bowl again next year, i'm starting to be all the way out.

This is the worst excuse ever to keep a coach. He's not even a hot commodity anymore. It was like the people that wanted to keep Rhoads because "he wanted to be here"

 

[Big_Sill]

Way different feelings to me. CPR seemed way obvious to me it was time for him to go. Once Campbell has multiple seasons where he has multiple blowout losses by 30+ and the team wasn’t even competitive, then your comparison would make sense. Just look at CPRs last few seasons for me please

The argument for changing now would be to avoid that and get ahead of it… if you believe that’s where it’s headed.

The signs are all present.

 

[madguy30]

I was totally speculating earlier but @brentblum confirmed on the podcast tonight that it was in fact norovirus and not food poisoning. If guys are puking on the plane, it would be surprising if only 5 guys end up with it.

That said, it typically moves through pretty fast and would seem unlikely to have much of an impact for the Oklahoma State game, other than a day or two of missed practice.

When I had it a few years ago aside from the uh, 'symptoms', it was like I had taken the bad acid and was in bed for 2 days so it's remarkable they were able to play a football game.

The 'they look like they don't want to be out there' narrative is a little easier to understand.

Doesn't excuse the loss but that's a tough situation.

 

[madguy30]

I don't even think that Campbell was a bad hire or 'worse' than those other hires. Those hires are just in different phases.

The longer I watch programs over time, the more I just recognize that for the vast majority of coaches, even at places with far more resources than ISU you have some pretty recognizable trends. You have an upward phase where they're selling hope, they hope to have success and that success builds on itself, and then eventually that plateaus, and then eventually there's a downward phase for 90% of coaches that few recover from. Then you roll the dice again on someone else. Maybe that roll works out, if not you roll the dice again in 4-5 years. You hope to have better odds on those dice with a 'good' hire, but there are plenty of examples of 'great hires' not working out and conversely of lesser hyped names overperforming.

I've wondered if part of the problem for ISU is that it has waited too long to re-roll in the past, making us bottom out at some dreadful levels, rather than recognizing the trendline and making a move, making it that much harder for our following hires.

The philosophical question: when do you cut the cord with CMC?

5 straight bowls and 5 straight conference winning seasons along with the ticket sales etc. is quite the equity at a lot of places. If there's some sort of upward trend this year including knocking off a big name I don't see how you can do it now.

 

[joefrog]

The philosophical question: when do you cut the cord with CMC?

5 straight bowls and 5 straight conference winning seasons along with the ticket sales etc. is quite the equity at a lot of places. If there's some sort of upward trend this year including knocking off a big name I don't see how you can do it now.

Ok, now flip that.

If they continue to run the offense the same exact way, and we suffer similar results, can you admit the obvious?

 

[CyNews]

Bottom line. Campbell is going to be given at least a couple years. ******** will not change reality. And reality may be that we really are the coaches graveyard that inevitably gets all Cyclone coaches….unless you leave when you get the chance. Majors had a losing record his last year with George Amundsen at QB. And Earle left just as Hayden was hired. Earle took Ohio State job and was fired. Finished up at UNI and Colorado State. That is a helluva fall.

Campbell will either figure it out or in a couple years he will likely be gone if he does not. Best for all if he figures it out. We’ll see what happens.

Earle did an underrated job for the Rams.

 

[Stormin]

How many years did Rhoads get? Campbell will get at least 1 or 2 years more. Reality.

********. Complaining. Constantly. Not a solution. Hurts more than it helps. Tears down our program. Hurts us with recruits because one of our biggest selling points is the great fans of Cyclone Nation. We definitely have offensive problems. Pressure is on for this weekend.

 

[Gunnerclone]

How many years did Rhoads get? Campbell will get at least 1 or 2 years more. Reality.

********. Complaining. Constantly. Not a solution. Hurts more than it helps. Tears down our program. Hurts us with recruits because one of our biggest selling points is the great fans of Cyclone Nation. We definitely have offensive problems. Pressure is on for this weekend.

That is a drop in a bucket compared to losing to a MAC team and having 10 yards rushing. Bad losses and losing in general (we’re 2-10 in last our 12, 1-7 against Iowa in the last 8) is what hurts recruiting.

 

[jmb]

That is a drop in a bucket compared to losing to a MAC team and having 10 yards rushing. Bad losses and losing in general (we’re 2-10 in last our 12, 1-7 against Iowa in the last 8) is what hurts recruiting.

Lots of words to say "i agree this doesn't help".

 

[joefrog]

How many years did Rhoads get? Campbell will get at least 1 or 2 years more. Reality.

********. Complaining. Constantly. Not a solution. Hurts more than it helps. Tears down our program. Hurts us with recruits because one of our biggest selling points is the great fans of Cyclone Nation. We definitely have offensive problems. Pressure is on for this weekend.

So because we kept Rhoads entirely too long, and IIRC he also was stubborn on addressing offensive issues, we have to allow Campbell to run this thing further into the ground?

Curious, is it fun watching CampbellBall?

Are you enjoying this product on the field?

How bad does it have to get?

Because our offense, it's bad.

PPG	YG	OPPG	YA
121st	128th	20th	9th
16.67	270.33	13.00	253.67

 

[joefrog]

That is a drop in a bucket compared to losing to a MAC team and having 10 yards rushing. Bad losses and losing in general (we’re 2-10 in last our 12, 1-7 against Iowa in the last 8) is what hurts recruiting.

If you were a playmaking offensive player, would you even consider ISU at this point?

Do you think you would receive quality coaching, and have a chance to showcase your abilities, and improve over time?

 

[Cyinthenorth]

If you were a playmaking offensive player, would you even consider ISU at this point?

Do you think you would receive quality coaching, and have a chance to showcase your abilities, and improve over time?

Idk. It hasn't totally prevented Iowa from it. Granted they've been worse relative to their peers, but they have a couple good backs right now, maybe one or two WR's I'd take on Iowa State. It is still a chance for kids to show out at a high level, regardless of how crappy the offensive scheme and playbook are.

 

[Raiders70]

The coaching and the post game comments by CMC after the Iowa game really soured a lot of the fan base. We under achieved in 2021 and were terrible the last half of 2022. But I think the vast majority of fans were reasonably satisfied until the last couple of weeks. It doesn't take a genius to figure out something is seriously ****** with this program right know. I hope they figure it out this week ....probably last chance to stop the bleeding before things totally spiral out of control.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

The coaching and the post game comments by CMC after the Iowa game really soured a lot of the fan base. We under achieved in 2021 and were terrible the last half of 2022. But I think the vast majority of fans were reasonably satisfied until the last couple of weeks. It doesn't take a genius to figure out something is seriously ****** with this program right know. I hope they figure it out this week ....probably last chance to stop the bleeding before things totally spiral out of control.

Satisfied, maybe. I was extremely pensive entering the season though, in light of the situations at QB and RB, rookie OC and new OL coach. My expectations were low, but I think somehow I still find myself disappointed in seeing how this staff chooses to approach things and constantly continue to try and do what has proven to not work. The level of stubbornness and borderline insanity we are seeing week to week is what is concerning to me, and a lot of people I imagine.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Lots of words to say "i agree this doesn't help".

There’s a difference between doesn’t help and doesn’t matter. Message boards don’t matter. Even I’m not aloof enough to believe that.