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Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

I absolutely hate the way realignment has gone over the past decade; however if you have the opportunity to take more PAC schools and kill the conference you do it. I hate it for OSU and WSU... But the PAC had their opportunity to snag some B12 schools after OuT announced they were leaving and didn't take the opportunity... ultimately it looks like that is going to come back to bite them.

The last thing I want is to have the opportunity to kill the PAC and become the clear #3... only to somehow have the PAC regain momentum before the next media deals... (I wouldn't envision this would happen, but still).
 
simply1 said:
What is Oregon worth on their own? I’d say they are worth $32 million. Washington too.

People forget how excited we were to play them in the fiesta I guess.
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You can't look at it as an "on their own" kind of thing, anyways. It's cheaper for a network to pay another $64 million for two teams in that time zone than it is for a network to pay $200mil for a whole conference when you are really just interested in the 2 teams.
 
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salennon07 said:
I absolutely hate the way realignment has gone over the past decade; however if you have the opportunity to take more PAC schools and kill the conference you do it. I hate it for OSU and WSU... But the PAC had their opportunity to snag some B12 schools after OuT announced they were leaving and didn't take the opportunity... ultimately it looks like that is going to come back to bite them.

The last thing I want is to have the opportunity to kill the PAC and become the clear #3... only to somehow have the PAC regain momentum before the next media deals... (I wouldn't envision this would happen, but still).
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This is me, too. I feel bad for hoping the B12 comes off the top rope and finishes the PAC - we’ve been in Oregon State’s shoes before - but this is simply the reality of the current situation. If there’s an opportunity presented to weaken one of your rivals for Conference #3, you have to take it. You can’t have qualms about it.

If it helps, we can remember ALL the blame for the current realignment upheaval falls on the SEC and the B1G. If it weren’t for their overbearing greed in poaching conferences right and left, we wouldn’t be here now.

Heck, I remember a healthy college football system where schools like Penn State, Florida State, West Virginia, and Miami weren’t even IN a conference!
 
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@ 9 teams, the PAC media contract won't include a Conference Championship Game, correct? Or will that number be predicated on a 10-12 team conference?
 
KidSilverhair said:
This is me, too. I feel bad for hoping the B12 comes off the top rope and finishes the PAC - we’ve been in Oregon State’s shoes before - but this is simply the reality of the current situation. If there’s an opportunity presented to weaken one of your rivals for Conference #3, you have to take it. You can’t have qualms about it.

If it helps, we can remember ALL the blame for the current realignment upheaval falls on the SEC and the B1G. If it weren’t for their overbearing greed in poaching conferences right and left, we wouldn’t be here now.
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100%. Some of the mouthbreathers out there (like Altimore) have said that the PAC crumbling actually speeds up the “P2” process and is bad for the XII long-term. Of course they say that. A cornered dog will bite. “Don’t kill me”, said the man under attack.

Having P2 is much easier with more space between the top and bottom. Ruling over a bunch of small, disjointed groups is a key mark of power grabs that succeed. It’s played out in history time and time again.

I’d think differently if I thought that the ACC, PAC, and XII could align cooperatively to counter the P2. But that goes out the window when every member institution would jump for the B1G or the SEC if given the chance. We’re all in until we aren’t. And the NCAA as it stands doesn’t have the stones to fight that fight.
 
KidSilverhair said:
This is me, too. I feel bad for hoping the B12 comes off the top rope and finishes the PAC - we’ve been in Oregon State’s shoes before - but this is simply the reality of the current situation. If there’s an opportunity presented to weaken one of your rivals for Conference #3, you have to take it. You can’t have qualms about it.

If it helps, we can remember ALL the blame for the current realignment upheaval falls on the SEC and the B1G. If it weren’t for their overbearing greed in poaching conferences right and left, we wouldn’t be here now.
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If it helps, remember no one gave two ***** about ISU in 2010. And no one gave a **** 2 years ago. In fact, the PAC snubbed their noses at the idea of adding any Big 12 teams. That video that Pollard and Wintersteen did still makes me sick to think about. I don't like the idea of anyone getting the feeling I had as a fan, but if it helps, no one else gave a **** how we felt after watching that video.

The other thing that helps me, is that decision by the PAC to shut out the Big 12 could possibly be their ultimate demise. Their snobbery is what put them where they are. Yeah, it all stems from the SEC and Big 10, but the PAC had a chance to solidify the conference for the future, but chose to act like they were better than anyone else.
 
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Nolaeer said:
Would you rather take Az, Arz State, and Utah
or Arz, Arz State, and Uconn?

Does doubling down in utah really beat adding the best hoops brand in the country? Plus, Utah should be in the MW for some karma for their delusions of grandeur.

I mean seeing Utah end of at 7 million a year in the MW would be the gift that keeps on giving. that and getting their asses kicked on blue turf.
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UCONN isn't the best hoops brand.
 
IASTATE07 said:
UCONN isn't the best hoops brand.
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maybe not the best "Brand" but not sure how you argue against they are not the best program in the 2000's and above if you go by what they have done.

ISU fans (me included) cling on to our 2000 team like it was the best thing that ever happened to us. Uconn has 5 titles since 1999, along with some elite 8's and FFs.
 
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KidSilverhair said:
This is me, too. I feel bad for hoping the B12 comes off the top rope and finishes the PAC - we’ve been in Oregon State’s shoes before - but this is simply the reality of the current situation. If there’s an opportunity presented to weaken one of your rivals for Conference #3, you have to take it. You can’t have qualms about it.

If it helps, we can remember ALL the blame for the current realignment upheaval falls on the SEC and the B1G. If it weren’t for their overbearing greed in poaching conferences right and left, we wouldn’t be here now.

Heck, I remember a healthy college football system where schools like Penn State, Florida State, West Virginia, and Miami weren’t even IN a conference!
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I don't know all that went into the Big 12 administrators contacting Colorado, etc., but I'd like to think of it as the adminstrators being "the squeaky wheel that got the grease" as they advocated for the strength of the conference.
 
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salennon07 said:
I absolutely hate the way realignment has gone over the past decade; however if you have the opportunity to take more PAC schools and kill the conference you do it. I hate it for OSU and WSU... But the PAC had their opportunity to snag some B12 schools after OuT announced they were leaving and didn't take the opportunity... ultimately it looks like that is going to come back to bite them.

The last thing I want is to have the opportunity to kill the PAC and become the clear #3... only to somehow have the PAC regain momentum before the next media deals... (I wouldn't envision this would happen, but still).
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It goes even bigger than the Pac. Being conference 3 means staying ahead of both the Pac and the ACC. So, finishing off the Pac now not only takes care of them, it also leaves us as the overwhelming favorite to hold off the ACC when their time comes.

If a big chunk of the Pac survives, you could see an angle where the Pac and ACC remnants merge and try to peel off the top B12 teams to become the 3rd conference. While that seems like a long shot, why even give it a chance?
 
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The feeling I can't shake is that a conference with West Virginia, UCF, Oregon, and Washington just isn't a long term stable conference. Now maybe no conference is truly stable and you can only look ahead the next handful of years anyway. But it just has the feeling of a conglomerate born out of necessity that eventually gets broken apart (and not just one or two teams leaving).
 
HandSanitizer said:
maybe not the best "Brand" but not sure how you argue against they are not the best program in the 2000's and above if you go by what they have done.

ISU fans (me included) cling on to our 2000 team like it was the best thing that ever happened to us. Uconn has 5 titles since 1999, along with some elite 8's and FFs.
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No maybe about it. And brand was the only thing I was commenting on.
 
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