Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Clonefan94]

13x9 then divide by 2 is a lot easier way to find out it doesn’t work lol.

Stop discouraging him. I get this image of Charlie Kelly standing at a white board figuring this all out. It's great fun to me.

 

[werdnamanhill]

*Checks time*

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[psychlones]

*Checks time*

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[FerShizzle]

Let's assume:
-the Pac media deal is poor enough that teams want to exit
-UA/ASU/Utah are not tied together
-Washington & Oregon would sign a grant of rights through the end of the Big 12 media deal
-its known the Big 10 has some interest in Wash/Ore but other factors would determine if/when they might fit into their plans
-FOX/ESPN are fine with going to 16
-Arizona has joined the Big 12

Would you rather;

A. Have Arizona St. and Utah join
B. Have Oregon and Washing join with the known Big 10 interest

B

 

[Stormin]

I don’t mean to keep beating this poor horse’s corpse, but I’m getting out my stick anyway …

If USC/UCLA don’t bail on the PAC12, the B12 would most likely have been satisfied with the “new 12” for the time being. Things stay basically status quo between PAC/B12/ACC as they eye each other warily and try to position themselves down the road as Conference #3.

Now, maybe in this scenario, the PAC12 gets their media deal done before the B12, and then it’s the B12 left scrambling to make a deal as big time TV carriers pull back on their spending. Could’ve happened. Maybe Yormark would’ve still tried to cut the line, maybe Yormark gets an innovative streaming deal, maybe the PAC goes shopping in the B12. There’s no way to know for sure, but if USC/UCLA don’t leave, we’re probably not changing things much.

But they did leave. Yormark was smart enough to grab the opportunity to jump the line and get media dollars before the weakened PAC could negotiate. Now the PAC is on the ropes, struggling to get a competitive package for their schools, and there’s blood in the water.

The continued uncertainty of what the PAC will get from TV increases its instability. Yormark talks to some of its members, using that instability as a wedge with the Corner 4, at least.

So that’s brought us to last week. The entire reason behind the backstage wheeling and dealing is about the future of the B12 and its chances to be that Conference #3, chances that are definitely on the rise with the PAC’s instability. Expanding now is all about that - and the best way to help solidify those chances is to make the PAC a shadow of its former self. Colorado was just a first step, to make that count you’ve got to get at least one more PAC member to come over. Colorado alone doesn’t do enough to drop the PAC and elevate the B12.

And that’s why Colorado and UConn would be a dribbler past the shortstop instead of a home run. I don’t care that it continues to lift the B12 in basketball … they’re most likely gonna be there later, I don’t see them being a smart 14th. You’ve gotta grab this opportunity to kneecap the PAC and strengthen your chances of being that Conference #3 … and even the guy quoted a few posts back talking about the relevance of basketball literally said “it’s football driving the realignment bus,” which it is.

Now, if no other PAC teams are willing to come over, if Kliavkoff’s announced deal is somehow good enough to hold the 9 remaining, well … I suppose we welcome UConn to the B12. But to me it’s a failure to fully capitalize on the opportunity that became possible when USC/UCLA told the PAC “smell ya later.” This expansion possibility was almost totally based on the chance to pull a massive one over on the PAC, and Colorado alone doesn’t do that.

Arizona Basketball and money will lead them to the Big 12. Chance to play in the best basketball league will not be passed up. They know the risk in staying. Plus their basketball is elite compared to the rest of the PAC 12.

 

[simply1]

Fairly confident that hate is on a different level than ISU/Iowa, but I understand your point

Agreed. Add in the religious aspect, and I think their rivalry has a different flavor than CyHawk.

Iowa and ISU fans are the same people about 85% of the time. Except we actually support farmers. And they’re all rich kids from the Chicago suburbs. (Am I doing this right?)

I lived there for a while and there’s certainly more vitriol. Thing is a good portion of the student body are lds and many church leaders are UU grads, so I think it goes beyond religion.

 

[ZuriCyclone]

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Let's assume:
-the Pac media deal is poor enough that teams want to exit
-UA/ASU/Utah are not tied together
-Washington & Oregon would sign a grant of rights through the end of the Big 12 media deal
-its known the Big 10 has some interest in Wash/Ore but other factors would determine if/when they might fit into their plans
-FOX/ESPN are fine with going to 16
-Arizona has joined the Big 12

Would you rather;

A. Have Arizona St. and Utah join
B. Have Oregon and Washing join with the known Big 10 interest

Oregon and Washington joining even for 6 years would help the BIG 12 brand. Maybe they may like it and stay.

Arizona St. and Utah are not worth 32 million to Fox/Espn

 

[jdoggivjc]

13x9 then divide by 2 is a lot easier way to find out it doesn’t work lol.

He’s trying awfully hard to prove something that the worlds best statisticians and schedule-makers have disproven centuries ago.

 

[MartyFine]

 

[simply1]

Yes, but even stronger. The two schools are closer geographically. And very different culturally. The “holier-than-thou saints” vs the “hedonistic heathens” speaking in extreme stereotypes.

I said this in another thread, but UU still has a lot of lds kids.

Honestly the hate for UU is funny on here because party wise, most of the big 12 is way closer to UU than BYU. That part is absolutely true.

The other things I would mention about BYU are cave things. It’s just a more complex hate than Iowa ISU.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Saw this posted in this thread earlier. Just as funny now as it was then.

 

[Acylum]

That sounds ominous for the PAC, to put it mildly.

 

[CoachHines3]

pretty quiet..

 

[tman24]

Let's assume:
-the Pac media deal is poor enough that teams want to exit
-UA/ASU/Utah are not tied together
-Washington & Oregon would sign a grant of rights through the end of the Big 12 media deal
-its known the Big 10 has some interest in Wash/Ore but other factors would determine if/when they might fit into their plans
-FOX/ESPN are fine with going to 16
-Arizona has joined the Big 12

Would you rather;

A. Have Arizona St. and Utah join
B. Have Oregon and Washing join with the known Big 10 interest

B. Get the best teams while we can. Never know what will happen in 6 years.

 

[Acylum]

He’s trying awfully hard to prove something that the worlds best statisticians and schedule-makers have disproven centuries ago.

The guy who proved the existence of irrational numbers was beheaded for his efforts iirc. Tread lightly @HawaiiClone97

 

[MugNight]

I said this in another thread, but UU still has a lot of lds kids.

Honestly the hate for UU is funny on here because party wise, most of the big 12 is way closer to UU than BYU. That part is absolutely true.

The other things I would mention about BYU are cave things. It’s just a more complex hate than Iowa ISU.

In a vacuum, ISU and Utah have much more in common. Our own student govt publicly denounced BYU’s possible membership several years ago. Culturally I’d rather have Utah.

Utah’s hate for the Big 12 feels rooted in BYU’s membership there + an inflated sense of self given their performance in the Alex Smith/Urban Meyer days and then sustained relevance in the PAC under Whittingham the past 15 years.

It’d be interesting to see TCU’s perspective if in an alternate universe they were in the PAC and we added Baylor. Similar rise from G5 for TCU and Utah. Would they have similar sentiment?

 

[werdnamanhill]

That sounds ominous for the PAC, to put it mildly.

What does it say? Looks like a paywalll

 

[werdnamanhill]

In a vacuum, ISU and Utah have much more in common. Our own student govt publicly denounced BYU’s possible membership several years ago. Culturally I’d rather have Utah.

Utah’s hate for the Big 12 feels rooted in BYU’s membership there + an inflated sense of self given their performance in the Alex Smith/Urban Meyer days and then sustained relevance in the PAC under Whittingham the past 15 years.

It’d be interesting to see TCU’s perspective if in an alternate universe they were in the PAC and we added Baylor. Similar rise from G5 for TCU and Utah. Would they have similar sentiment?

Agree with all of this. Give it a few years and most people's hate will be centered on UCF and BYU, I almost guarantee it haha

 

[enisthemenace]

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Oregon and Washington joining even for 6 years would help the BIG 12 brand. Maybe they may like it and stay.

Arizona St. and Utah are not worth 32 million to Fox/Espn

No PAC school is worth $32M on their own. Fox/ESPN are partly gambling that Big12 (and B1G) eyeballs will stay on their platforms later by adding conference games in western time zones. They know the western schools can’t do it on their own.

 

[MugNight]

Agree with all of this. Give it a few years and most people's hate will be centered on UCF and BYU, I almost guarantee it haha

They didn’t call us the Hateful 8 for nothing!

Villains make the sport fun. I’m excited for it. There were a lot of angry Cincy fans in 2020 when we were ranked ahead of them. Maybe there’s something that’ll bubble up there for ISU.