Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[SCNCY]

I have to think that these potential escalators will make it look like the PAC can have the same payout at the Big12. But I don't think the PAC can meet the viewership numbers.

Also an opportunity for Washington and Oregon to use this as leverage for unequal revenue sharing. Basically, you get paid out based on your viewership.

Will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.

 

[Jeremy]

If it was based on attendance, those escalators would be in 1,000 increments, starting at 5,000.

 

[Prone2Clone]

- GK will present a bar chart of the Pac12 media deal compared to ACC, B1G, B12, and SEC
- Pac12's bar will be highest on the chart*

*GK will sit nervously hoping no one notices the Pac12's bar is the only one plotted on the secondary vertical axis

Pac-12 Offices:

 

[enisthemenace]

I have to think that these potential escalators will make it look like the PAC can have the same payout at the Big12. But I don't think the PAC can meet the viewership numbers.

Also an opportunity for Washington and Oregon to use this as leverage for unequal revenue sharing. Basically, you get paid out based on your viewership.

Will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.

No matter what they are, they’d have a better chance hitting any viewership escalators if they were in the Big12.

 

[CycloneErik]

Seriously, what $ would they even have to lend a hand with the media deal they have coming?

 

[Matthew-10]

Yet the University of Kansas goes by KU. That always had bothered me.

Ironically, the same holds true for the University of Colorado! I’ve only known them as CU. Their own website says both, so what up?

 

[CascadeClone]

Did a quick math on a PAC12 getting back to 10 teams, and doing unequal revenue to keep UW/UO happy, balanced on the backs of the 2 new members. These splits are modifiable of course, but just to give an idea of what they might be working with.

Total contract value $25M per team:
UW/UO = $32M
Other 6 = $27M
New 2 = $12M

Total contract value $20M per team:
UW/UO = $28M
Other 6 = $21M
New 2 = $9M

So if it is $25M per they can probably survive that I would think, unless all the games are on HSN and ION and they just hate that too much. Everyone should be happy enough.

If it is $20M per then it is really interesting.

FWIW, if Arizona were to stay, and they only do one add - the numbers look roughly the same, only slightly worse. $25M per probably works, but $20M per does not.

It's much worse with 12 teams, even though you have 2 more teams to eat partial shares. Just hurts the denominator, but no help for the numerator (since low value brands and no high value timeslots).

 

[ISpyCy]

Seriously, what $ would they even have to lend a hand with the media deal they have coming?

So, like, we're just going to forget the $50 Million Comcast debacle, Clownzano???

 

[mkcrawford]

Pardon the vacation flight discussion, but I thought I saw something this morning regarding K-State and discussions with the Big 12 on possible departure. I can't seem to find that link...anyone have any info?

 

[Pope]

Ratings escalators? Yeah, that's gonna work out just great!

 

[cycloneworld]

Could there have been numbers/deal there and GK didn't share because he was trying to get more?

The numbers almost have to be bad…otherwise, the numbers would start to leak so the Pac12 could start it’s victory tour.

I’m going to guess around $25 mil per school with almost all streaming except for 1-2 games of the week.

 

[JM4CY]

Pardon the vacation flight discussion, but I thought I saw something this morning regarding K-State and discussions with the Big 12 on possible departure. I can't seem to find that link...anyone have any info?

You’re higher than your flight.

 

[MartyFine]

 

[clone37]

Could be for sure

He absolutely has/had numbers going into July. There has always been a "deal" or different variations of a "deal" available for quite some time. The reason no one has seen the "deal" is because the "deal" wasn't even close to what schools needed to stay on par with the dollars and visibility of the B12 contract.

 

[simply1]

It’s tough to know though if it’s a special hurt or the normal layoff cycles. Streaming coming to a reckoning is perhaps unique, this era where they all loved losing money to pad their subscription #s.

Working with media companies myself you can set your watch by a cycle of huge layoffs and big hiring cycles. Employees are just faceless #s to these media conglomerates.

That’s why we need to kill the PAC now, we have no idea what things will look like in 5 years.

 

[CascadeClone]

The numbers almost have to be bad…otherwise, the numbers would start to leak so the Pac12 could start it’s victory tour.

I’m going to guess around $25 mil per school with almost all streaming except for 1-2 games of the week.

So you're an optimist!

 

[CoachHines3]

That’s why we need to kill the PAC now, we have no idea what things will look like in 5 years.

I'm guessing a short deal, too. Shorter than what the Big 12 got.

 

[laminak]

MU, CU, OU...always seemed weird.

Same situation as KU vs UK:

UM is either Michigan or Miami
UC is typically the California school system.
UO is for Oregon

UN - don't know any college going by this, unless Nebby didn't want United Nations confusion

 

[isucy86]

A plane ride from LA to Ann Arbor to play a noon ET kick which feels like 9 AM to a someone used to Pacific Time. Body clock games are a real thing, and its much harder to go west to east than east to west. By adding teams in the same time zone, that reduces the number of those body clock games for the west coast schools.

What would really stink is Michigan flying to LA to play a 9am local start game!

I get your point, but I think the Big Ten and Networks are smart enough to create parameters on traveling to/from Pacific Time Zone.

But overall schools have always been dealing with travel inconveniences. A couple years ago Oregon & Ohio State played a 11am CT kick for a non-con game. Not ideal, but it happens in college & NFL enough.

Look at some conferences. The Big East stretches from Omaha to Providence and everywhere in between. The AAC will have a school in Annapolis and San Antonio. Conference USA travel from Las Cruces to Miami. Sunbelt from Harrisburg, VA to San Marcos, TX. Conferences with no where near the P5 budgets, who are OK with traveling thousands of miles to play a football or basketball game.

The travel argument might be real, but schools already ignore the cost & jet lag issues.

 

[NorthCyd]

Longer trip means higher cost. And not just for the football team. You have to factor in all teams that are participating in the B1G. Track, tennis, golf, gymnastics, swimming, etc. Those add up over time.

I don't know. I heard an AD (think it was Pollard but not sure) say "Once you're on a plane, you're on a plane. Doesn’t matter muchba after that." Basically saying that it's the point that you have to fly instead of drive that really makes a cost difference, and once you're flying distance doesn't increase the cost much.