When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[MeowingCows]

Everything is proprietary. That is one big complaint, it does everything CarPlay does, it's just different.

Like Apple CarPlay? You Won't Be Able to Get It on Future GM EVs

GM's got its own system in the works, a collaboration with Google, but Apple CarPlay fans are sure to be miffed anyway.

www.caranddriver.com

GM is now fighting that battle too. Why? Because they're stupid IMO, but alas, ...

 

[IcSyU]

Lets just assume you drive a gas car that gets 25 mpg an average of 12k miles a year and figure on an average of $3 gas. Over that 10 years you've spent almost $15k in gas granted electricity isn't free by any means but the end cost to you isn't this giant gap that people seem to think it is. Now obviously that's different for a car that gets better mileage or for somebody who drives more but battery prices are going down, significantly in some cases and new chemistries get proven out. The number that keeps getting thrown around at work by the battery guys is they expect that battery costs per kW-h of storage capacity to be about half of what it is today by the end of the decade. I think that assuming that a lithium ion battery is the peak of battery technology and will never get better is really short sighted. You're already seeing that switch with Tesla and Ford moving from Lithium-Ion batteries to a Lithium-iron-phosphate battery. Those LFPs don't use nickel or cobalt at all in them and are more resistant to battery degradation than a Lithium-ion battery.

And the LFPs solve some of the charging challenges because you don't have to slow them down at 80% charged.

 

[brokenloginagain]

To me, the survey responses with n of 435 look just about right.

10 yrs from now, EVs will be 50% penetrated (from a crowd of cyclone fans who I'd consider to be more cautious/conservative, late-adopter types).

Pretty impressive growth considering only 5% today own EVs.

 

[matclone]

I'm at least a late majority adaptor so it will probably be awhile. However, I'm not stressing over it like some of my RWNJ-media consumer friends who are frequently full of bad information, e.g., that the cars won't drive more than 100 miles without a charge.

 

[HFCS]

That was one beef my wife had. She likes using Pandora via carplay in her current car.

A certain consumer just wants to put wheels on their phone.

 

[BryceC]

I think that assuming that a lithium ion battery is the peak of battery technology and will never get better is really short sighted. You're already seeing that switch with Tesla and Ford moving from Lithium-Ion batteries to a Lithium-iron-phosphate battery. Those LFPs don't use nickel or cobalt at all in them and are more resistant to battery degradation than a Lithium-ion battery.

This is actually what is causing me to hold off a few more years more than anything. Battery tech over the last decade has gotten so much better, and it will continue to get better. ICE tech really hasn’t changed much as far as efficiency for a very long time. I kind of want to see where the cars are at in 3-4 years after this lifecycle. I might drive my car for 3-4 years until my kid is 16 then he’ll inherit it and I can look at getting a new car then.

 

[mramseyISU]

This is actually what is causing me to hold off a few more years more than anything. Battery tech over the last decade has gotten so much better, and it will continue to get better. ICE tech really hasn’t changed much as far as efficiency for a very long time. I kind of want to see where the cars are at in 3-4 years after this lifecycle. I might drive my car for 3-4 years until my kid is 16 then he’ll inherit it and I can look at getting a new car then.

I wouldn't consider myself an early adopter either. I just ordered a hybrid (first for me) and I'm pretty comfortable about it because that technology is pretty mature. The Prius came out like 20 years ago I'm thinking so for the most part hybrid technology is pretty stable I think. I'll probably drive this new one for 7 or 8 years then see where the BEV cars are at.

 

[NickTheGreat]

When I intially answered this poll, I assumed I'd always drive my ICE truck, and we'd upgrade my wife's kid-hauler SUV to electric. But now as I think things through, the reverse makes more sense.

Have the electric truck, because I don't tow/haul very far, very often. But when we go to the parents, that's a 150 mile trip each way. I'm not wild about having to run an extension cord to my father-in-law's house as soon as we show up. Or stopping to charge halfway to Chicago.

 

[(563)]

In 2022, only about 21% of US electricity was generated from renewable sources. Add on top of that the environmental impact of EV batteries (mining for production; hazards of disposal) it’s kind of hard to believe people have bought into the idea that they’re truly being more environmentally conscious by choosing an EV. If you like them for some other feature that’s cool, but you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re helping the planet long term.

 

[BryceC]

In 2022, only about 21% of US electricity was generated from renewable sources. Add on top of that the environmental impact of EV batteries (mining for production; hazards of disposal) it’s kind of hard to believe people have bought into the idea that they’re truly being more environmentally conscious by choosing an EV. If you like them for some other feature that’s cool, but you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re helping the planet long term.

In 2010 only about 10% of US electricity was generated from renewable sources, and it's extremely difficult to change the power grid. That's a great number considering where we were 10 years ago.

Again, if you think EV's don't help the planet long term I don't know what to tell you. Batteries will continue to improve, our electrical grid will continue to improve, and battery waste and disposal is already improving with the lithium iron phosphate batteries.

 

[keepngoal]

In 2022, only about 21% of US electricity was generated from renewable sources. Add on top of that the environmental impact of EV batteries (mining for production; hazards of disposal) it’s kind of hard to believe people have bought into the idea that they’re truly being more environmentally conscious by choosing an EV. If you like them for some other feature that’s cool, but you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re helping the planet long term.

now do EI on oil (new and used), gasoline.... I mean come on. Also:

 

[MeowingCows]

In 2010 only about 10% of US electricity was generated from renewable sources, and it's extremely difficult to change the power grid. That's a great number considering where we were 10 years ago.

Again, if you think EV's don't help the planet long term I don't know what to tell you. Batteries will continue to improve, our electrical grid will continue to improve, and battery waste and disposal is already improving with the lithium iron phosphate batteries.

That's the real call-out with EVs: this is the catalyst we need to actually invest in advancing and improving our national power grid and power generation strategies.

 

[(563)]

now do EI on oil (new and used), gasoline.... I mean come on. Also:

The EI would also not be great, which was the point of the post. They seem to a wash right now.

 

[keepngoal]

The EI would also not be great, which was the point of the post. They seem to a wash right now.

But they don't wash out.

 

[BryceC]

That's the real call-out with EVs: this is the catalyst we need to actually invest in advancing and improving our national power grid and power generation strategies.

There is a lot of reason for optimism.

An Optimistic Guide to America’s Clean-Energy Future

Ramez Naam and Vinod Khosla join to break down the progress we’re making toward a clean-energy economy and the tech that will help us get there

www.theringer.com

 

[dmclone]

I also like to put an American flag on my back window and I didn't think there could be a more patriotic act than to buy from the company that scores the highest on the American Made index.

"
In 2022, Tesla Model Y and Model 3 topped the Cars.com American-Made Index. In addition, Model X came in fifth while Model S took sixth, making Tesla the most American-made automaker.

Cars.com has released the results of an annual study that ranks new cars that contribute the most to the U.S. economy. The 2022 study follows the same principles as in 2020 and 2021, ranking 95 vehicles according to the same five criteria: assembly location, parts content, engine origins, transmission origins, and U.S. manufacturing workforce.

Based on the assessment of all components, Tesla cars not only maintained their first place in the overall standings but also strengthened their presence on the list. Model Y took first place and became the most American-made car, climbing up from the third place in 2021. Just behind it is last year's winner, Tesla Model 3. Tesla Model X is in fifth place, and Tesla Model S is in sixth place. Both cars were refreshed last year and deliveries did not start before the Cars.com study, so they did not make the 2021 list"

 

[ImJustKCClone]

EV scooters KC.

I think my butt is too big for those...

 

[dmclone]

Update on the Tesla buying experience.

I really like the app that handles everything from payment, to your order, proof of insurance, etc. I received my VIN today and pickup is scheduled for two weeks. We ordered it on 5/21. I was kind of happy for the delay because it means that it has the latest cameras.

I've found over the years that people tend to underestimate the costs of everything. I kept hearing that the electrical work would cost between $600-$1000. I knew going into this that is was going to be a lot more expensive. $2000 is the cheapest estimate I've received and $3,600 was the most expensive. This is the cost to run a line from my basement panel to my garage, where I'll have a new subpanel, and then to a Tesla charger. The subpanel will allow me to add an additional EV in the future.

Insurance is very expensive. My Kia Telluride is about $550/year. The same coverage on the Model Y, which is about the same value, is going to run $1,500/year.

 

[dmclone]

Also, Ford and GM are going to start using the Tesla chargers with their future EV's, which is a huge deal for the whole industry.

 

[AdRock4Cy]

Update on the Tesla buying experience.

I really like the app that handles everything from payment, to your order, proof of insurance, etc. I received my VIN today and pickup is scheduled for two weeks. We ordered it on 5/21. I was kind of happy for the delay because it means that it has the latest cameras.

I've found over the years that people tend to underestimate the costs of everything. I kept hearing that the electrical work would cost between $600-$1000. I knew going into this that is was going to be a lot more expensive. $2000 is the cheapest estimate I've received and $3,600 was the most expensive. This is the cost to run a line from my basement panel to my garage, where I'll have a new subpanel, and then to a Tesla charger. The subpanel will allow me to add an additional EV in the future.

Insurance is very expensive. My Kia Telluride is about $550/year. The same coverage on the Model Y, which is about the same value, is going to run $1,500/year.

I wanted a Tesla until Elon turned in to a giant douche. So am looking at a Mustang Mach-E