Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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While this is probably BS, it would not surprise me at all if CU were the first to jump. They are not on solid financial ground and that difference between the PAC and Big12 may be big for them. Assuming BY is offering full shares from the start.
Buffs can go follow Neon Deion to the MWC ! Guy is a clown.
Maybe BY is working Zags ? Ok - seriously doubt anything happens at all. BY may be media blocking George to sink any P10 deal. Good for us. Think AZ/ASU is fine as CU is a basket case. Utah moves zero TV dials so Cal/Stan - prob too snobby so go after WAOR and drop Buffs/Utes!
I know this is a troll job, but Utah doesn't bring a ton given we already have BYU.
AZ/ASU as a package is better if we must double down on a new state. Colorado is better than Utah straight up...again since BYU is already on board.
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The Pac never already had BYU as a full member like the Big 12 does now.
You have to take into account what does Utah bring when the Big 12 is already going to be huge in Utah without adding Utah.
SDSU might be better long term in some ways. Colorado is definitely better long term even though their AD is in rough shape now and Utah's is in good shape.
I could be wrong but I'm done with Oregon/Washington. I think it's known how little they think of the Big 12. Let them try to keep the Pac alive while they wait for Big Ten. The new era should be peer schools who all want to be in the Big 12. Honestly, it's another reason I really don't care either way if Utah is in or not.
Don't add Utah or SDSU if it doesn't make sense. Go to 13 or 14 or 15. There's no set number, be ready when the best ACC leftovers become available.
I don't think two schools in the same market is an issue for us. That is how the B1G works with jamming a network on to basic cable. We are not going to be in that model. For us it is about marketable brands and matchups on the big networks to draw eyes and sell ads, and passionate fanbases that will buy up streaming services. I think Utah has the success on the field for the brand piece, and the engaged fanbase for the streaming piece. As does BYU.
CU brings a new market, but at least today they don't have the on the field product or the fan engagement. We know they can, they were there 25 years ago, but with CU you are banking on potential that they can restore lost glory.
from what i've gathered of the PAC12 fans... colorado fans are dumb. asu too high i dont think they know whats going on.
utah fans are idiots.
arizona fans seem cool
everyone else is grabbing for any life raft
utah fans are idiots.
arizona fans seem cool
everyone else is grabbing for any life raft
I look it this way. Equating conference realignment to rape is insulting and demeaning to rape victims. (I'm guessing that's why the tweet was deleted.)
having BYU and BY is confusing. my brain isn't big and or good
I disagree. We can’t on one hand argue against the importance of markets vs viewership then say Utah doesn’t bring anything. They crush CU and the AZ schools in viewers and passionate fans.
One thing about the PAC, a lot of the games get crap viewership, but when the low interest teams play rivals they get a spike. Rivalries sell. That’s why you take both Az schools. BYU-Utah will be a hate fest unlike anything in the league. Let’s be the conference with great rivalries and passionate fanbases, and let the chips fall where they may.
Is the Pac-12 really this bad? Why the league has no TV deal without USC and UCLA
Is the Pac-12 really so diminished it can't land a TV deal? A closer look at why the league is struggling ahead of the USC and UCLA's departure.
www.latimes.com
Is the Pac-12 really this bad? Why the league has no TV deal without USC and UCLA
Is the Pac-12 really so diminished it can't land a TV deal? A closer look at why the league is struggling ahead of the USC and UCLA's departure.
Pretty good summary of the current state of affairs but not much information in it to back up is headline. This could have been written the day after the Big 12 announced it's new media deal.
Not much hope offered for the PAC 12 there.Is the Pac-12 really this bad? Why the league has no TV deal without USC and UCLA
Is the Pac-12 really so diminished it can't land a TV deal? A closer look at why the league is struggling ahead of the USC and UCLA's departure.
Here's your warning shot to the Iowas, Purdues, Indianas, Northwesterns, Rutgers of the world...
'USC in particular was not feeling like letting its massive football brand be used to dole out charity payments to the rest of West Coast programs any longer"
'USC in particular was not feeling like letting its massive football brand be used to dole out charity payments to the rest of West Coast programs any longer"
I honestly see it both ways. I think at some point you are 100% correct. But right now I don’t see how Utah grows our media deal enough to add more than a share. Could still be the smart thing to do because all the other reasons and long term future make up for it.
I know their fans aren’t exactly representative of their AD decision makers, but UU is not in the safe position like Arizona who has a guaranteed reserved spot in Big 12. Their smart fans should swallow the BYU hate they’ve misplaced on the B12 until they get into big 12.
The Utah fans problem is that they thought they had a choice between the Big 12 and a reasonably strong PAC12. I think reality is probably slapping them in the face.
None of the 4 corner schools are going to grow the media deal much, if any, on a per team basis. Maybe if you take one of the AZ schools.
As far as the Big 12 goes, I think there is an existential challenge here. The conference has to position itself to maintain playoff access in the long run, and help discourage the Big 10 and SEC getting to 40 teams or so and breaking away. The best way to do that is to lock down as much geography as they can. Maybe it’s not enough, but I can see a breakaway that has no representation in AZ, CO, Utah, and KS while also losing good sized and active fanbases from the Big 12 as being enough to keep the Big 12 as a lower shared partner.
In my opinion the Big 10 and SEC media partners losing eyeballs or expanding to lower value schools makes less financial sense than including them at a discount.
While I don't think that this is a major issue at this time, the B1G media deal just showering cash as it does on the conference making it mostly a moot point, I do think that can change over time and it is really letting the camel's nose under the tent if the bottom half goes along with the idea that schools can be evaluated within the conference as to their individual relative value to the media deal.
In this case, it is just a device to see to it that any new adds do not decrease anyone's shares until the growth in the contract makes up for it. But this strategy is not guaranteed and it is apparent that the biggest players are already getting their dominoes lined up in case they decide they need to go in another direction to fully realize their value to TV.