That is what we thought made UT and OU safe to not leave, but guess what.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I mean if the big ten is ever targeted to be 3/4th in revenue after having multipule schools abandon ship then I guess your comparison works
Why, I thought someone said that the B1G and SEC dont have GoRs because "they dont need one".
If there is no GoR there is nothing to say they wont try it 2 years from now. If at that point there is some reason that they get an idea or offer from a media partner that they could create something, I doubt it will before the next contract, but with the continued turmoil in CFB and teams wanting to move conferences who knows.
I am one that in the current situation I dont see it happening except for possible new additions, but I also admit that at this point things change so fast that 2, 3, 5, 10, 15 years from now anything is possible.
No one ever believed the PAC was unstable, No one believed that the B1G would ever take teams on the West Coast....and boom. Now the same people say things can never happen in the B1G for similar reasons... I am one that says never say never.
Ya. I’m not saying they would leave. Just that the bottom 8 aren’t stopping them if they want unequal money. Because even more than the scenario you lay out… the bottom 8 would be staring into an abyss and quickly come back to the table to negotiate any deal. That’s leverage.
You do understand that Texas made more in conference payouts than the big ten schools did?
Yeah I agree that nothing is impossible. I just don't see it happening. tOSU and Michigan have been carrying the conference for many many years and there's never been a mention of them ever thinking about asking for unequal revenue distribution.
Gene Smith mentioned the possibility of tOSU going independent during the Covid year in a text message and later clarified that he was never really serious about it.
I have no doubt he was serious about trying to figure out a way for tOSU to have a football season that year, at that point it looked like they may not have had one. Nebby was talking about other options for that season too.
You're focusing too much on conferences. The next step is for the top 16 - 20 schools to break from the NCAA and form their own league. They aren't taking the bottom half of the conference when that happens. Look at the European Superleague proposals for how this is going to work.
I wouldn’t expect it to be 8 vs 8, that doesn’t leave enough to make a difference. It would be 2 or 3 vs the rest.
The desperation only comes with the top brands think they can make more money by ditching the "dead weight." As long as all of the schools stay alligned, then I would agree, there is nothing to worry about.
You just described the problem with "super leagues." - Someone has to be around to lose. And who is to say there wouldn't be more shuffling after the next TV year term is up?
Once again, shuffle those brands out at the next TV deal, bring more in. Cut throat market. Perform or be demoted.
Things do change in the sport. The IVY league once dominated this sport and sold out massive stadiums. How are their football programs today?
Sure. Agreed. Spartan was originally implying that the bottom 8 could vote it down because and keep uneven revenue from happening, but 2 or 3 seems way more probable.
The thing about the unequal revenue that made it “not work” is the teams getting the bigger cut saw they could get even more. All the coattail riders in the Big 10 and SEC are being overly optimistic. Just because OSU and Michigan have left money on the table before doesn’t mean they’ll keep doing it.
And it’s not like if they have to get a majority OSU and Michigan just say “we’re getting $150 and everybody gets $60, let’s vote.” OSU and UM could propose on say an $80 million per team average that they each get $120 along with USC. UW and PSU get $100m, MSU, Neb and Iowa get $90. Get enough teams at or above the average payout that you need to pass.
Now I appreciate that OSU has not pushed this, but it only takes one AD or Pres to simply use the immense leverage they have. And they don’t have to threaten to go to the SEC.
And it might take as little as OSU having a couple seasons where they feel like they have fallen a notch below Alabama and Georgia. I think as great as the last couple years has been for Michigan, I think they are at that point. They know they aren’t serious contenders with the top of the SEC. But what if they could clear $30-40m more than Bama and Georgia? Outbid them for assistants, wink and a nod to donors to divert donations to NIL…
And it’s not like if they have to get a majority OSU and Michigan just say “we’re getting $150 and everybody gets $60, let’s vote.” OSU and UM could propose on say an $80 million per team average that they each get $120 along with USC. UW and PSU get $100m, MSU, Neb and Iowa get $90. Get enough teams at or above the average payout that you need to pass.
Now I appreciate that OSU has not pushed this, but it only takes one AD or Pres to simply use the immense leverage they have. And they don’t have to threaten to go to the SEC.
And it might take as little as OSU having a couple seasons where they feel like they have fallen a notch below Alabama and Georgia. I think as great as the last couple years has been for Michigan, I think they are at that point. They know they aren’t serious contenders with the top of the SEC. But what if they could clear $30-40m more than Bama and Georgia? Outbid them for assistants, wink and a nod to donors to divert donations to NIL…
I used 8/8 as an example strictly due to easy math.
The one thing that the big 10 has had is stability, that came from long term memberships and a similar culture. Well, they have one of the biggest proponents of unequal sharing in their conference now, Nebraska. Now 2 LA schools are coming, a little different culture than the Midwest/Mideast schools they have. If UO and UW come in, that culture is getting a little less thick. I’m not sure how Rutgers and Maryland fit in, but seem like they would be more similar to other coastal schools than Midwest.
I’m not saying it happens in the next few years, but things are changing and keep changing faster. If these conferences get to 20-24, half of the conference will basically never see the other half.
Top teams don’t believe they won’t always be top teams, and they believe playing a big name team is better than a have not team win or lose.
It isn't about desperation, it is all about greed. Texas is the richest AD in the land and they left for more money. OU and USC weren't hurting either. The schools that have changed conferences in this whole thing aren't desperate, they are schools who are always going to have a seat at the table. They are chasing more dollars simply because they can. And for as much as the B1G is making, there is a way the big dogs can make even more. The league is only stable for as long as the big dogs are content leaving that extra on the table, no different from the other leagues.