NCAA looking at unlimited transfers?

[ISUTex]

Any NIL deal over a certain amount of money should void your scholarship.
Then put a cap on non scholarship athletes. Transfer as much as you want.

 

[Gonzo]

The school is investing a load of money into one and taking a load of money from the other is basically where it starts and stops for me. Do you guys have any clue how much money is spent per football player, for instance? It doesn't stop at room and board. Hell the numbers are staggering if you take all of our expenses against all student athletes, let alone if you just calculate football.

I still don't get why that should prohibit one from being able to transfer, while the other should be allowed. Athletic scholarships are awarded on a yearly basis, they're not four-year guarantees. They're awarded for a year, then renewed for each of the following years assuming all is going well. So I don't understand why a student-athlete shouldn't be able to transfer after year 1, 2, 3 or all of the above if they've fulfilled their responsibility to the program for that year, and the program has fulfilled its promise to fund the kid for that year.

This change seems to me like it's in the best interest of the student-athletes, which is how it should be. There are all kinds of things that can compel a kid to want or need to transfer, why keep penalizing them by disallowing it.

 

[Mr Janny]

The school is investing a load of money into one and taking a load of money from the other is basically where it starts and stops for me. Do you guys have any clue how much money is spent per football player, for instance? It doesn't stop at room and board. Hell the numbers are staggering if you take all of our expenses against all student athletes, let alone if you just calculate football.

Are you saying that businesses spend money on labor? When did this start happening?

In all seriousness though, so what?

Lots of companies spend huge amounts of money to train and maintain their labor force. And sometimes people leave. That's not unique to college sports. But what is unique is that they seem to think that they should enjoy some kind of protection to keep their labor force from moving to the competition, if they choose not to renew their year to year contract.

 

[Mr Janny]

Any NIL deal over a certain amount of money should void your scholarship.
Then put a cap on non scholarship athletes. Transfer as much as you want.

Good luck with that.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I still don't get why that should prohibit one from being able to transfer, while the other should be allowed. Athletic scholarships are awarded on a yearly basis, they're not four-year guarantees. They're awarded for a year, then renewed for each of the following years assuming all is going well. So I don't understand why a student-athlete shouldn't be able to transfer after year 1, 2, 3 or all of the above.

This change seems to me like it's in the best interest of the student-athletes, which is how it should be. There are all kinds of things that can compel a kid to want or need to transfer, why keep penalizing them by disallowing it.

I suppose this is the basic difference of opinion, and that's okay. Also, no one is disallowing transfers. They have one free one.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Are you saying that businesses spend money on labor? When did this start happening?

In all seriousness though, so what?

Lots of companies spend huge amounts of money to train and maintain their labor force. And sometimes people leave. That's not unique to college sports. But what is unique is that they seem to think that they should enjoy some kind of protection to keep their labor force from moving to the competition, if they choose not to renew their year to year contract.

Sure, and a lot of times, until the employee becomes profitable, there are ties that, when broken, trigger some sort of consequence.

Am I correct in thinking you would be fine with a contracted system with a binding agreement like a lot of employers put forth?

 

[ClonesFTW]

This is all going to backfire when fan interest plummets in the next 10 years and networks try to bail out of massive contracts.

 

[CloneJD]

Maybe the collectives will start signing players to multi-year deals.

 

[Mr Janny]

Sure, and a lot of times, until the employee becomes profitable, there are ties that, when broken, trigger some sort of consequence.

Am I correct in thinking you would be fine with a contracted system with a binding agreement like a lot of employers put forth?

Absolutely. Make the players contracted employees with all of the rights, benefits, and yes restrictions associated with that.

 

[Drew0311]

I'm all for this. If a regular student can transfer without penalty, there's no reason a student athlete shouldn't be able to.

The regular student thing is nonsense. These players can transfer schools and have no academic penalties just like the counter parts they go to school with. Athletics wise is where they suffer the consequences of transferring every year

 

[Clonefan94]

This is right there with the NIL for me. I get it and in theory I'm for it. There is no reason a student athlete should be punished for leaving a school when there are no restrictions on coaches.

I think it will ruin college sports, much like the NIL, but ethically, I can't possibly think it's right to force a player to stay where they don't want to be or not make a buck when schools are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars based on their work.

 

[Urbandale2013]

Absolutely. Make the players contracted employees with all of the rights, benefits, and yes restrictions associated with that.

The problem with that is then it’s just a crappier version of the pro leagues.

The true answer is to force pro leagues to stop their age limits. If you want to go play professional sports there is nothing stopping you. If you want to play amateur college athletics great but there are restrictions that come with that.

No one should want to stop anyone from making money with their athletic ability but some of the money is antithetical to college athletics.

Set it up so that athletes can capitalize on NIL not pay to play. Create a collectively bargained agreement for video games that everyone gets an even split or some sort of standardized split. Transfers are free when a coach leaves. Otherwise it is a sit out year.

Something like that maintains what makes college athletics great and gives opportunities for people who want to just make money.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

When Alabama's of the world are complaining about the current system, rules will change to rein in both NIL and unlimited transfers with immediate eligibility.

Every player gets one free transfer, after that, they have to sit out a season.

Put a hard cap on NIL just like the NFL does with their salaries. Each school can spend 10 million per year, and cannot go over that limit.

 

[CoKane]

Competitive balance? When has big time college sports ever shown anything but the tiniest veneer of lip service toward competitive balance? Football and Men's basketball are the pinnacle of "the rich get richer".

They never have, that is correct. But that's still not a reason to actively go the other way either. CFB has 131 teams and CBB is going to be over 360 teams soon. Why are we ok with making it so 32 of those school have an even bigger shot and everyone else can just get ******?

A big part of college sports is how many teams competing for the championship and selling hope that even the lowest tier team with the right moves and right circumstances can find themselves competing at the top. Boise States and TCUs or Gonzagas and Butlers are what help what separate college sports from pro sports. Not a Big 10 and SEC wank fest at the top. All this does is push things more towards the Alabamas and Ohio States, who people are already tired of seeing in the playoff every year.

Maybe the collectives will start signing players to multi-year deals.

Apparently that is the one rule the NCAA actually bothered to make with NIL, which is a good rule because that could really **** over the kids playing the sport. I'm shocked they actually thought of that considering they didn't bother to think on anything else

 

[davegilbertson]

Jesus christ, what are we even doing here anymore? I don't think a single person out there was asking for another NBA or NFL but shittier

I think empowered autonomy is the way to go. The slightly monitored, but shady dealings were no better.

The good ones will adjust. I'm FB and MBB seem like we have two who are playing within the rules vs pining fir the past

 

[singsing]

Everybody freaking out about transfer rules and nil. I like it. Iowa State has only benefitted from the new rules. Can you imagine last year's BB team without transfers?

 

[CoKane]

This is right there with the NIL for me. I get it and in theory I'm for it. There is no reason a student athlete should be punished for leaving a school when there are no restrictions on coaches.

I think the correct solution is to apply a rule on transferring where the 1st is always free, 2nd is free if its a certain situation(coach leaving, playing time, recruited over, etc) and then a grad transfer is also free reign to do whatever.

All this is going to do is eventually someone on the fringe of NBA status is going to go hit up the rest of their good college but maybe not pro players and go form a super team somewhere and boom, we're basically the NBA free agency levels of trash where all the good players go play in big markets because big market only. It's trash there and it will suck in college even more.

 

[Mr Janny]

The problem with that is then it’s just a crappier version of the pro leagues.

The true answer is to force pro leagues to stop their age limits. If you want to go play professional sports there is nothing stopping you. If you want to play amateur college athletics great but there are restrictions that come with that.

No one should want to stop anyone from making money with their athletic ability but some of the money is antithetical to college athletics.

Set it up so that athletes can capitalize on NIL not pay to play. Create a collectively bargained agreement for video games that everyone gets an even split or some sort of standardized split. Transfers are free when a coach leaves. Otherwise it is a sit out year.

Something like that maintains what makes college athletics great and gives opportunities for people who want to just make money.

A CBA is not something that can just be willed into existence. Players have to unionize first, and I see some significant obstacles for that. What incentive does a guy like Bryce Young have to unionize, in the current environment? He already can make plenty of money from NIL and isn't going to be around longer than 3 years anyway. Top basketball players are around for even less time.

The court system has already upheld the rights of the pro leagues to set minimum age limits, so you'd need a law to be passed. And what's the appetite for that, right now? I guess it could happen.

 

[CoKane]

Everybody freaking out about transfer rules and nil. I like it. Iowa State has only benefitted from the new rules. Can you imagine last year's BB team without transfers?

It also hurt us because other teams were allowed to buy Tyreese Hunter and Isheem Young off of us. Imagine if we had Rhoads or Prohm trying to navigate this ****

 

[Urbandale2013]

A CBA is not something that can just be willed into existence. Players have to unionize first, and I see some significant obstacles for that. What incentive does a guy like Bryce Young have to unionize, in the current environment? He already can make plenty of money from NIL and isn't going to be around longer than 3 years anyway. Top basketball players are around for even less time.

The court system has already upheld the rights of the pro leagues to set minimum age limits, so you'd need a law to be passed. And what's the appetite for that, right now? I guess it could happen.

Bryce Young doesn’t have veto power of a union. Also if he wants to make more money go play pro.

The money in college athletics exists because of the schools. It isn’t there because of the players. The players are then valuable because they play for those schools. If Brock Purdy didn’t play at Iowa State none of us would have any care about him. It’s a chicken or the egg deal. The players are valuable but they are valuable only because of where they play.

There’s not a perfect solution but the route we are going is definitely not the correct way. It’s the same as the realignment. The healthy result is not going to happen because everyone is looking out for their own interests instead of the interests of the whole.