Miami is very generous. They have a lot of history, but they’re kind of a forgotten entity.
Big XII to add schools within days?
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I thought that I read somewhere that the SEC's tentative plan was to pay players $100K per year. I could be wrong and I don't feel like doing the research.
Cincy, easy.
But have fun bragging about the budget banner . Hope you’re an accountant
Yeah it's amazing what six consecutive CFP appearances and two national titles can do for a program.
Clemson was nearly an also-ran until Dabo. UCF may very well convert the Big 12 auto into being the 2nd FL program
Right, in a very short period of time, which is my point. These aren’t “blue bloods,” these are “brands,” which aren’t immutable.
Never said they were. But look at the level of success it took Clemson. Not easy. And I'd argue that expanding the CFP is going to make it even harder for a program to break through the way Clemson did.
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I know very little about Florida but I think Miami just doesn't have the alumni base of the others. They certainly had the cool gear/tshirt/logo thing going for the 80s and 90s.
17k enrollment, probably among the smallest of P5 schools.
Yeah every conference only has 1-3 national brands and a few others kidding themselves that they are. Any conference would look gutted if 2-3 of them left.
Clemson wouldn't be on the list a decade ago.
Big 12 doesn't have one for now.
I don't think Penn State is the national brand it was in the 90s and early 00s, both from the scandal and also just not being in the NC hunt as often. Michigan, ND, USC and Texas are big enough to withstand long average stretches but I'm not sure Penn St brand is.
Oklahoma would fade just like Neb if it went a decade or two without contending for titles but they have consistently been in the hunt so the brand is huge.
I think with PSU's history and without nosediving the way Nebby has, it holds up. Same with Miami. But opinions vary.
I don’t really get the argument; when (not if) the playoff expands, the Big 12 will be in it either every year or nearly every year, and so the teams in the league will be playing meaningful big-boy football just like the rest of the Power Five. So what if the conference money dips a bit relative to the other four conferences, so what if our bowl tie-ins go from playing ACC #3 to Pac-12 #4. In every meaningful sense when the conferences are cut into two groups, we will be in the top one. If they are cut into more groups than that, we will be in the 2nd one.
You’re right, which is why they need elite success to be noticed in FL.
They may be like UCLA in which they’re more relevant nationally than locally
Miami should be better than they are, but they don't have UF levels of support so the success of the 80's and 90's are pretty hard to maintain. They do have a good academic school and a fun city to recruit to which should allow any coach to get at least decent prospects to go there, they've just really had a tough time getting a good coach to stay there. I think Richt would have done well there if he didn't have the health issues.
You’re the one saying that conference perception doesn’t matter.
you’re the one trying to pretend that Cincinnati adds even remotely equal value to what we currently have. They don’t.
I used to live near UCLA and commute by campus sometimes...they should absolutely dominate every sport. If I was a recruit and USC and UCLA offered me there's no way I would have picked USC.