Tough day for EIU hoops hopes

So you are saying if you take away the Player of the Year in college basketball their team isn't as good?

I mean obviously that is the case, but to say Iowa is "average" without him, you don't know that. Now CJ and Joe shoot a lot more. Now Nunge would be playing 30 Min a game and can be a threat himself.

The team would obviously not be nearly as good without Garza, but they would still be night and day better than ISU and more than likely a NCAA team with a core of Jordan, CJ, Joe and Nunge.
Are we talking Nunge vs North Carolina or Nunge in his Super Bowl?
 
If ISU had Tre Jackson and Hinson.... and Iowa was without Garza.... it would have been a dogfight right down to the end.
I know that's a lot of "what ifs".... which is why Iowa won by almost 30. Iowa did have Garza.... and ISU didn't have Tre or Hinson.

You are really propping up Jackson. He was terrible last season.
 
ISU is made up almost entirely of new players. Yes, that is on Prohm, but it's still the facts. None of these guys have played together at all really except for two games total. Iowa's players have been playing together for years and years.... which is great for them. It's part of what makes them really good.

My only point is that it's going to take quite a while before ISU is even playing close to what they are capable of. It isn't an excuse.... your team shouldn't be that inexperienced.... but it's still the truth. To compare this ISU team to what Iowa had on the court last night..... this ISU team would have to have played like 3 more years together.
 
Without looking there is no chance Iowa is close to a top 50 defense

Sure they are. They are 2.3 AdjD points away from being #50. They are 2.9 AdjD points better than ISU D's.

Plus this isn't just this year. Iowa was much better than ISU defensively last year as well.
 
You are really propping up Jackson. He was terrible last season.

Yeah, and players never improve from their freshman year to their sophomore year, right? Prohm has been really excited about Tre this offseason and he was penciled in as a starter. He is known as a great shooter, but only showed flashes of it last season.
 
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Garza officially won me over last night, I mean it’s not that I doubted him but I didn’t live his game. But that stretch where he was on fire I found myself getting mad at Joe Croissant for taking a shot when the only person shooting should have been Garza. Unique body and a unique game. He’s like the Kenny Pratt of 5 men.
 
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Garza officially won me over last night, I mean it’s not that I doubted him but I didn’t live his game. But that stretch where he was on fire I found myself getting mad at Joe Croissant for taking a shot when the only person shooting should have been Garza. Unique body and a unique game. He’s like the Kenny Pratt of 5 men.

Garza is definitely very skilled. But at 9:30 last night I switched from the ISU-Iowa game to ESPN to watch Haliburton.... and the NBA is just an entirely different game. They just go up and down and the players are all so ultra athletic.

I'd take a chance on Garza in the 2nd round I think just because he can knock down shots and he works really hard..... but he would struggle mightily on defense in the NBA, and not sure he could get up and down the floor like he would need to or not?
 
Yeah, and players never improve from their freshman year to their sophomore year, right? Prohm has been really excited about Tre this offseason and he was penciled in as a starter. He is known as a great shooter, but only showed flashes of it last season.

Generally yes they do improve from Fr to So year. The problem for you is that under Prohm that isn't the case. Yeah Haliburton got better, but he was an NBA talent. Lets look at the rest: Conditt sitll hasn't progressed. Wiggington regressed from Fr. to So year. Lard regressed from Fr. to So year. Lewis didn't get any better as a So.

Solomon Young has progressed nicely, I do like his game. Outside of him and Haliburton Prohm hasn't really developed crap at ISU.
 
You guys were also told a multi time player of the year candidate shouldn't start for any power school in the Country.
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Garza is definitely very skilled. But at 9:30 last night I switched from the ISU-Iowa game to ESPN to watch Haliburton.... and the NBA is just an entirely different game. They just go up and down and the players are all so ultra athletic.

I'd take a chance on Garza in the 2nd round I think just because he can knock down shots and he works really hard..... but he would struggle mightily on defense in the NBA, and not sure he could get up and down the floor like he would need to or not?
Always a chance he could work on his body some more and conditioning to become what the nba is looking for. Georges did it successfully and didn't really have to compromise his game too much. He has already proved he can work his ass off. If I'm an nba gm I'd definitely take a 2nd round flier on him. They are throw away picks anyway, nothing to lose
 
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It was a great weekend to be a Hawkeye. Basketball team wiped the floor against two bottom dwellers and then the Football team got the Bull back for the first time since 2015.

The real basketball season starts on Saturday with Gonzaga and then the conference games.
 

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