Kirk Ferentz getting sued for being racist

[inCyteful]

Infinitely more civil than what I had typed out prior to deleting as I was going to light this puke up.

Keep the keyboard warmed up.

This waste of organic matter won't respond to my question.

Another cowardly fan.

 

[BigTurk]

Catching up on podcasts and came across the Right Time with Bomani Jones from Tuesday. He absolutely destroys Kirk from the DJK statement. At very minimum, this coverage is going to make recruiting difficult.

The Des Moines Register had one article this morning and all it said was recruiting is not being negatively impact at all by this. The recruits are all still bought in and love KF.

 

[CyTwins]

The players Brodie continues to cited to discredit DJK. Are any of those statements current or are they dated?

I've asked for links and he won't provide them so I'm guessing they aren't current

 

[CyTwins]

if Iowa had true racists on staff they would not hire or recruit black guys, and there would be calls from former players for kirks head right now

You can be racist and know you need black players to win. What a dumb comment

 

[Cydkar]

Well said. But it does say something - for him and many others - that he was more angry about Carson King being slighted than by this U of I story, which is orders of magnitude larger.

I feel like Brodie should just come out and say he doesn't trust any black people so we can go on with our days.

Or we can ban him or quit @ him. He doesn't add value.

 

[zmanzbo]

I like listening to Murph and Andy but yesterday they said how they were surprised how more players from other teams haven't came forward with similar issues. Said they figured "the floodgates would open". Well is hasn't.

Media in this state has been extremely ****** looking deep into this. Very sad and disappointing.

 

[Cyforce]

The Des Moines Register had one article this morning and all it said was recruiting is not being negatively impact at all by this. The recruits are all still bought in and love KF.

Did the article say who they got their information for the story from?

 

[carvers4math]

Yes, Iowa media are totally nutless when it comes to Iowa. As others mentioned, Bandgate and the Pemsl stories, short of the initial coverage of bandgate national media didn't give a crap about either of these, because quite frankly they turned out to not be much. Yet, local media pounded these into the ground.

In this case national media is on it, and the local media is framing this as "Doyle's probably gone, he might have had a chance but that statement he released says he's not going to change."

Nationally there is not even a thought about Doyle returning - they just assume he's gone, because they have some common sense and aren't blinded by the closeness of the situation. Most of the national media think Ferentz should clearly be gone. They are starting to dredge up the made-up award after Rhabdo.

We need the national media to do what these local losers won't do, which is do a little bit of journalism on the sexual assault case. Their meeting with the victim, KF having two players move into the crime scene (and what they shared they found at the scene), letting one of the alleged perpetrators move onto the same floor as the victim.

Despite all this, the common theme has been that KF has "built up enough good will" to have his seat be warm.

“A critical, independent and investigative press is the lifeblood of any democracy.” Nelson Mandela

By abdicating their responsibility, the local media is enabling the injustices and dishonoring the athletes who have courageously come forward.

 

[clone52]

wait- you don’t see a difference between racism and racial insensitivity? That’s absurd in my opinion. One can be corrected, one can’t.

if Iowa had true racists on staff they would not hire or recruit black guys, and there would be calls from former players for kirks head right now.

in terms of overplaying an a issue- you are seeing in this thread right now. Now, I was expecting it due to the nature of the rivalry but I don’t think ANY program should be taking moral high ground right now. Many of these things occur all over. Glass houses and all. You have also seen a good number of iowa players bring up issues that are completely unrelated to race to ride the coattails of the situation. Iowa’s commits and players seem to back the program.

This is hardly unique to this situation though. It happens during any crisis.

This is probably the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

I guess all those slaveowners back in the day weren't racist either. If they were true racists, they never would have allowed black people to work for them.

 

[Trice]

Or we can ban him or quit @ him. He doesn't add value.

Maybe you quoted me there by accident, but in that quote I was referring to Keith Murphy (building off your earlier comment).

 

[johnnydugouts]

You can be racist and know you need black players to win. What a dumb comment

That’s the most racist thing I’ve heard yet.

 

[johnnydugouts]

This is probably the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

I guess all those slaveowners back in the day weren't racist either. If they were true racists, they never would have allowed black people to work for them.

yes, working as a slave with no human rights or freedoms is basically the same as getting chosen to attend college for free while preparing yourself for professional football. Good analogy.

 

[Cycl1]

wait- you don’t see a difference between racism and racial insensitivity? That’s absurd in my opinion. One can be corrected, one can’t.

if Iowa had true racists on staff they would not hire or recruit black guys, and there would be calls from former players for kirks head right now.

in terms of overplaying an a issue- you are seeing in this thread right now. Now, I was expecting it due to the nature of the rivalry but I don’t think ANY program should be taking moral high ground right now. Many of these things occur all over. Glass houses and all. You have also seen a good number of iowa players bring up issues that are completely unrelated to race to ride the coattails of the situation. Iowa’s commits and players seem to back the program.

This is hardly unique to this situation though. It happens during any crisis.

I think there are both at play here. Giving out unequal punishments to black players is racist. Not allowing rap music in the weight room because you dont like rap music isn't necessarily racist, but it is probably pretty insensitive to your black athletes who may not hear any black artists during workouts, and they may not feel as welcome in your school.

 

[TrianglePlace]

That’s the most racist thing I’ve heard yet.

He actually asked if ISU fans should want Iowa to keep Doyle so it might benefit ISU in some way with recruiting.

 

[Halincandenza]

wait- you don’t see a difference between racism and racial insensitivity? That’s absurd in my opinion. One can be corrected, one can’t.

if Iowa had true racists on staff they would not hire or recruit black guys, and there would be calls from former players for kirks head right now.

in terms of overplaying an a issue- you are seeing in this thread right now. Now, I was expecting it due to the nature of the rivalry but I don’t think ANY program should be taking moral high ground right now. Many of these things occur all over. Glass houses and all. You have also seen a good number of iowa players bring up issues that are completely unrelated to race to ride the coattails of the situation. Iowa’s commits and players seem to back the program.

This is hardly unique to this situation though. It happens during any crisis.

There is a difference between being a racist and having implicit bias and making racially insensitive comments. And there is a whole spectrum. Reminds me of some of the Me Too stuff. There is obviously a difference between rape and say touching a women on the shoulders and making her feel uncomfortable but I think emotions run high and we want to lump them all in together. Does it make it right just because it is a lesser offense, so to speak? No but they should be treated differently. We all have biases. It is how we deal with the bias once we realize that it is there that is key. If we are told, hey it is not ok to say that to me because it is racially insensitive and hurts me etc, and we apologize, reflect and change our ways, then things can get better but if you don't think you did anything wrong that is a problem. Do I know if Doyle is a racist? No, he may be. But it could also be he just a bulling racially insensitive ******* who bullies everybody but it makes it worse because he uses racially insensitive language or stereotypes when bullying black athletes.

I think Iowa needs to do some serious reflection on how they got here and what they can do to change. They have started moving in the right direction but actions over time will speak louder than words. It is clear to me that Doyle had way too much power and that BF thinks he is untouchable as well.

Also, agree that people shouldn't be using this as an opportunity to troll an opposing fan base because I think that just makes a mockery of the real issues. There is at least one person on here who is doing that. Like you said, glass houses. ISU has had its race related issues as well on campus. I think James Daniels was right when he said that not only does the football program need a culture change but the State does as well. Ill admit, that will be made more difficult by the fact that Iowa is one of the whitest states.

 

[BigTurk]

KXNO's Miller and Condon are taking a different tone today. Much more subdued. Questioning if Wadley is believable (why if he was so miserable does he want his younger brother to go to Iowa). Just said KF will probably stay and finish out the year. Ripping BF though.

 

[cyclone4L]

@Brodie0 and @johnnydugouts are disgusting human beings.

The CF forums are a place for open discussion and debate which we welcome all who want to come and share. Defending racism is where I draw my line. I speak for most on the forums when I say that you are not welcome here if you defend racism.

If the tables were turned, you would be the first to criticize. You would insist on calling us "thugs" and say things like "Hok would never..."

I hope you can take some time to truly listen to the players instead of fighting against them for speaking up.

 

[MartyFine]

wait- you don’t see a difference between racism and racial insensitivity? That’s absurd in my opinion. One can be corrected, one can’t.

if Iowa had true racists on staff they would not hire or recruit black guys, and there would be calls from former players for kirks head right now.

in terms of overplaying an a issue- you are seeing in this thread right now. Now, I was expecting it due to the nature of the rivalry but I don’t think ANY program should be taking moral high ground right now. Many of these things occur all over. Glass houses and all. You have also seen a good number of iowa players bring up issues that are completely unrelated to race to ride the coattails of the situation. Iowa’s commits and players seem to back the program.

This is hardly unique to this situation though. It happens during any crisis.

How exactly is racial insensitivity corrected? And just how many white Hok fans believe they are experts on the black experience in America?

 

[Trice]

Yes, Iowa media are totally nutless when it comes to Iowa. As others mentioned, Bandgate and the Pemsl stories, short of the initial coverage of bandgate national media didn't give a crap about either of these, because quite frankly they turned out to not be much. Yet, local media pounded these into the ground.

In this case national media is on it, and the local media is framing this as "Doyle's probably gone, he might have had a chance but that statement he released says he's not going to change."

Nationally there is not even a thought about Doyle returning - they just assume he's gone, because they have some common sense and aren't blinded by the closeness of the situation. Most of the national media think Ferentz should clearly be gone. They are starting to dredge up the made-up award after Rhabdo.

We need the national media to do what these local losers won't do, which is do a little bit of journalism on the sexual assault case. Their meeting with the victim, KF having two players move into the crime scene (and what they shared they found at the scene), letting one of the alleged perpetrators move onto the same floor as the victim.

Despite all this, the common theme has been that KF has "built up enough good will" to have his seat be warm.

I don't think people understand what a total journalistic failure this is for local media. Keep in mind...we're talking large-scale racism accusations at a public university. This isn't just sports, it's legitimately news, doubly so in the national environment we're in at this moment.

As best I can tell, there's been almost no original reporting - just rehashing all these tweets. No FOIA requests, no assigning news reporters with much more experience chasing down complex stories like these (because this crosses over from sports into news when a public institution has major accusations of racism), no seeking comment from the university president or administration who oversees diversity/equity issues, no following up with accusers to elaborate on their allegations, no quotes from politicians, no inquiries with state government (civil rights commissions, etc.), no quotes from experts on racism at the local or national level. None of that. Reporters should have their hair on fire to get hold of this stuff. Instead, the tone *immediately* turned to "listening" and reconciliation while the accusations were still coming forth.

It's been just as bad for journalists failing to use their platforms to demand answers. No opinion pages have written on this, that I'm aware of. No sports figures have publicly demanded comment from Barta, or talked about how inadequate Ferentz's answers have been. While it's been widely speculated that Doyle will go, has anyone locally demanded it? Has anyone locally seriously suggested Kirk or Brian's jobs should be in jeopardy? All we get are half-hearted retweets of former players with no additional commentary.

And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. The failure is total.

 

[CyTwins]

KXNO's Miller and Condon are taking a different tone today. Much more subdued. Questioning if Wadley is believable (why if he was so miserable does he want his younger brother to go to Iowa). Just said KF will probably stay and finish out the year. Ripping BF though.

Lol why does Wadley want his 5'8 two star RB to get a P5 offer? That's probably a pretty easy answer. Also who says he wants his brother to actually go to Iowa?