Iowa Football Recruiting

Iowa State played a much more difficult schedule than Iowa last year. The Big 12 and SEC were significantly better than the Big Ten. If you want to say the Big Ten was more top heavy but you're given a bunch of free wins where you can basically rest your team and pad your stats I'll agree with you

Except I didn’t say that and you’ve, once again, ignored a question. How can you call Minnesota "fake ID" when they were highly ranked in the AP? That’s your criteria. How do you justify that?

The B1G was top heavy. So was the Big 12. Even more so
 

You should read it.... you might actually learn something about ISU football, and how you're totally wrong about all your trash talking towards Iowa fans.

I cannot stand Iowa fans, or Iowa football, or anything Iowa for that matter.... but then let's beat them some day.... or win more games than they do.... go to a better bowl game than they do.... have a better recruiting class than they do.... put more guys in the NFL, etc, etc, etc.

Your act gets really old. You have nothing to stand on except this BS about SOS. That's just dumb. We wouldn't win anymore games being in the B1G.... it's just a lazy excuse. We need to grow up and win games and lose the excuses.
 
Except I didn’t say that and you’ve, once again, ignored a question. How can you call Minnesota "fake ID" when they were highly ranked in the AP? That’s your criteria. How do you justify that?

The B1G was top heavy. So was the Big 12. Even more so

The Big 12 was very balanced. Tech, TCU and West Virginia were all better than one of your bowl eligible teams lol. That's just crazy
 
Iowa State played a much more difficult schedule than Iowa last year. The Big 12 and SEC were significantly better than the Big Ten. If you want to say the Big Ten was more top heavy but you're given a bunch of free wins where you can basically rest your team and pad your stats I'll agree with you

Iowa played more teams ranked in the final AP poll. How can you possibly say that’s true? The AP poll is the only metric? How can a team be a "fake ID" but be ranked in the top ten?
 
The Big 12 was very balanced. Tech, TCU and West Virginia were all better than one of your bowl eligible teams lol. That's just crazy

How can Minnesota be a "fake ID" team when they were ranked tenth? Is the AP poll valid or not? Simple question really
 
How can Minnesota be a "fake ID" team when they were ranked tenth? Is the AP poll valid or not? Simple question really

Yes Minnesota was the 10th best team in CFB last year. They're a fake ID and it won't be sustainable. They caught every break possible and played a joke of schedule but they won and that's all that really matters. I don't think Iowa fans look back at 2015 and think about the national disrespect they were getting all year and instead look back at the 12-2 season
 
Illinois was a bowl team thanks to the Big Ten West even though West Virginia, TCU and Texas Tech were better than them. Illinois didn't even play a top 50 schedule lol

Yawn. "ISU would win 10 games every year playing in the B1G..... blah.... blah.... blah".

Yeah, because the B1G is like playing in the MAC, am I right? What a dumb argument.
We can't even beat Iowa head to head every year.... but if we only played in the B1G.... we'd be so awesome because everyone knows the B1G is just horrible football. Whatever.

And quit comparing our recruiting this year with Iowa too. They are smoking us bad. Now... we won't truly know how good the class is until 4 or 5 years from now, but right now... they're destroying us in recruiting too.

We need to grow up and grow a pair.
 
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Yawn. "ISU would win 10 games every year playing in the B1G..... blah.... blah.... blah".

Yeah, because the B1G is like playing in the MAC, am I right? What a dumb argument.
We can't even beat Iowa head to head every year.... but if we only played in the B1G.... we'd be so awesome because everyone knows the B1G is just horrible football. Whatever.

And quit comparing our recruiting this year with Iowa too. They are smoking us bad. Now... we won't truly know how good the class is until 4 or 5 years from now, but right now... they're destroying us in recruiting too.

We need to grow up and grow a pair.

Lol an Iowa fan even said we win 9 games last year if we were in the Big Ten West but OK
 
Yes Minnesota was the 10th best team in CFB last year. They're a fake ID and it won't be sustainable. They caught every break possible and played a joke of schedule but they won and that's all that really matters. I don't think Iowa fans look back at 2015 and think about the national disrespect they were getting all year and instead look back at the 12-2 season

You’re first two sentences are incompatible with each other. Calling a team top ten and then saying they’re fake doesn’t make sense. The fact that they may or may not be able to sustain the success is irrelevant to their record and success last year.
 
Yet Iowa State played a much more difficult schedule. Thanks for proving my point

and what CyTwins uses to determine isu played a much harder schedule also says isu would go 7-6 with Iowa’s schedule and Iowa would go 10-3 with isu’s schedule.

Wonder why he ignores that?
 
You’re first two sentences are incompatible with each other. Calling a team top ten and then saying they’re fake doesn’t make sense. The fact that they may or may not be able to sustain the success is irrelevant to their record and success last year.

Iowa carried a fake ID in 2015. Doesn't change the fact they were a top 10 team
 
Minnesota is a fake ID.... so that only proves ISU is better than Iowa in every way!

Makes total sense to me...... o_O
 
If everyone is being truly honest...... this thread is a really bad look from the ISU side of things.

If we want to talk trash to Iowa fans, then first of all we better start beating them head to head some day.... then we should start winning more games than they do (don't give me the SOS BS either, the schedules are basically even IMO), and finally we should win our bowl games when we get to them as well. And finally, on top of that, we should probably actually have a better recruiting class than them..... just ONCE.... if we want to brag about recruiting. Oh, and Iowa also puts like 10x the amount of guys in the NFL as we do.

The truth hurts fellow ISU fans. Iowa is still ahead of us in about every single category you can point to.

With that being said, I do believe we've been closing the gap on them since CMC arrived. But we still have a ways to go yet IMO.

I think ISU is as talented or more talented at every position group right now besides OL and probably DL too. But that's a huge issue because that's where games are won and lost. ISU MUST develop a decent OL, and it all starts this season. This entire OL beginning this season will all be CMC guys. Although they will be young and pretty inexperienced.... CMC is saying they will be better as a group than last year's senior laden OL. We shall see.... the success of the season will basically depend on that being the case.

The next thing that must improve IMO is the offensive scheme and play calling. I'm no expert, but when I watch us play, I feel like if I were the opposing DC, it would be pretty easy to defend against us. We run very little misdirection, and consistenly show we have no idea how to beat a blitz. The offense is not dynamic or creative at all.

And what REALLY scares me is that watching Iowa's bowl game last year.... they in fact do seem like they're finally opening things up offensively and being dynamic. It always seemed like teams had a chance against Iowa because their offense was 3 yds and a cloud of dust and they didn't usually score that many points. It was SO boring to watch. But not in that bowl game it surely wasn't.

As I watched them play, I just kept thinking to myself..... "why don't we run something like that?". They were mixing it up big time on offense, running misdirection, using the entire field, mixing in a trick play or two.... USC had no idea what was coming. If that is a sign of things to come under Brian Ferentz's offense... we might be in big trouble. Especially if we don't start getting more creative on offense.

My point is, us ISU fans have no room to talk any trash to Iowa at all. KF has always known what wins football games.... being big and strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball. ISU hasn't. We're getting closer though, but CMC is going to have to develop an OL quick.... and get a lot more creative scheme on offense IMO.

We could have easily beat Iowa the last two years IMO with just being more aggressive offensively. We lose by one stinkin' point last year, and statistically were the better team on the field, but couldn't close the deal. Two years ago in IC, we march right down the field and were actually blowing Iowa off the ball, and the drive stalls on the 2 yd line and we kick a FG, and then don't score again the rest of the game and lose 13-3. After that initial drive we basically never even tried to score the rest of the game. Total vanilla on offense and never threw a pass over 10 yds all day.

Okay, sorry for the long rant. Don't blame anyone if they didn't feel like reading all that, but it's the truth. We have nothing to stand on in talking trash to Iowa. I'm just hoping CMC will do the things needed to turn that corner!

It might have been a long rant, but it was a spot on rant.

If I'm being honest, ISU fans have lots to be happy about with CMC and the football program. He has for sure brought in better players and can compete now with every team on the schedule. That is a huge improvement, and I think that leads to ISU being a bowl team nearly every year now. That is a great step up for ISU and I do understand why ISU fans are excited about CMC and it's football program.

I do like where Iowa sits as well though. KF has really managed to up his game the last 5 years. 3 top 25 finishes, 3 years with 9+ wins, and the other two years were still 8 win years. They really have to get over the Wisconsin hump though. If Iowa could have beaten Wisconsin 3 time over the last 5 years, that would have been 3 Big10 title game appearances instead of just 1. I know Wisconsin is great, and has been great, but we just gotta find a way to get it done against them, they really have our number.
 
Iowa carried a fake ID in 2015. Doesn't change the fact they were a top 10 team

Wouldn’t Sagarin be a much better ranking, since their schedule ranking is so much better after all? I mean, let’s say, hypothetically, if a team played the 5th hardest schedule compared to another team that played the 19th hardest schedule and were ranked 7 spots higher in the final rankings, wouldn’t they be more correctly judged the better team? Again, hypothetically. After all, sometimes the AP rankings are fake. You said so yourself.

Wouldn’t the Sagarin ratings be a better judge of relative team strength, since you admit they’re pretty much infallible, at least to schedule strength.
 

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