Iowa Football Recruiting

[Frak]

Minnesota's top guy was an AP All-American. Only OU's guy was an AP All-American, and some of those other guys weren't even 1st team all conference.

It's not really debatable, none of them other than maybe OU had a second guy on par with Minnesota's, which is what this whole discussion was about to begin with.

How many first team all-conference WR spots do you think the B12 has? Obviously, not all of them are going to get that recognition even though they would have easily gotten it in other conferences. Just like when Chase Allen got all conference a few years ago and iowa fans laughed about it because most teams in the conference hardly used TEs. You're just not going to impress us with Minnesota's WRs. They were really good, no doubt, but we're used to seeing really good WRs most weeks. Similarly, a 2nd team OL or DL in the Big 10 would have probably been 1st team in the Big 12.

 

[Brodie0]

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalldef/2019

You aren't helping yourself. Here Iowa had 4 teams that they faced in the top 30. big 12 had 3, and ISU faced 5 in the top 30. So according to your metrics, ISU faced better defenses.

Man, you stepped on your testicles there.

I don’t know what FEI is and I’ve never heard of a single person citing that metric. I’m talking about SP+.

 

[Gonzo]

How many first team all-conference WR spots do you think the B12 has? Obviously, not all of them are going to get that recognition even though they would have easily gotten it in other conferences. Just like when Chase Allen got all conference a few years ago and iowa fans laughed about it because most teams in the conference hardly used TEs. You're just not going to impress us with Minnesota's WRs. They were really good, no doubt, but we're used to seeing really good WRs most weeks. Similarly, a 2nd team OL or DL in the Big 10 would have probably been 1st team in the Big 12.

It has 3, which is kind of weird. What's weirder is that it has 4 second team WR spots.

The B1G has 2 first team spots, which both the Minney WRs got. Sorry, but Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., have really good WRs every year.

And what's funniest is that you guys saying that ISU sees top WRs every week and that your DBs wouldn't be impressed by Minnesota's WRs seem to be forgetting is that when ISU did face those top Big 12 WRs, they abused your DBs.

 

[BCClone]

I don’t know what FEI is and I’ve never heard of a single person citing that metric. I’m talking about SP+.

So, this one then? Since you don't link, here is what I got when I googled what you put.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s/sort/efficiencies.defefficiencyrank/dir/asc

Iowa had 3 on their schedule in the top 30, ISU had 4. 2 in conference and 2 out. I still don't see the 5 and 1 that you mentioned. Please link it, because I'm up to number 3 of links and it appears you are lying or making it up.

 

[BCClone]

It has 3, which is kind of weird. What's weirder is that it has 4 second team WR spots.

The B1G has 2 first team spots, which both the Minney WRs got. Sorry, but Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., have really good WRs every year.

And what's funniest is that you guys saying that ISU sees top WRs every week and that your DBs wouldn't be phased by Minnesota's WRs seem to be forgetting is that when ISU did face those top Big 12 WRs, they abused you.

Two WR spots??? You guys have a fullback for first team or something?

 

[Brodie0]

So, this one then? Since you don't link, here is what I got when I googled what you put.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...s/sort/efficiencies.defefficiencyrank/dir/asc

Iowa had 3 on their schedule in the top 30, ISU had 4. 2 in conference and 2 out. I still don't see the 5 and 1 that you mentioned. Please link it, because I'm up to number 3 of links and it appears you are lying or making it up.

That’s FPI, not SP+.

 

[Frak]

Well it would be more accurate than saying almost weekly.

Looking forward to the draft. How many Big 12 WRs are you saying will be top picks?

CBS Sportsline has Lamb and Mims in the 1st, Reagor in the 2nd, DuVernay in the 3rd. Of course, Walter Football has DuVernay in the 7th and teammate Colin Johnson in the 5th...right ahead of Tyler Johnson from Minnesota. Duvernay is supposedly climbing draft boards and I would think that CBS is closer than Walter. Claypool from ND is sitting right around 3rd-4th round. Wallace from OSU will likely be top 2 rounds next year, as will Bateman I'm guessing.

 

[Gonzo]

Two WR spots??? You guys have a fullback for first team or something?

Yeah, like every other all-conference and all-america team in the country.

That fullback dig was funny though, well done.

 

[BCClone]

That’s FPI, not SP+.

So some remote metric that you won't link??

 

[Brodie0]

Two WR spots??? You guys have a fullback for first team or something?

Actually the Big XII has a FB spot on its all-conference teams and the Big Ten doesn’t. Seems like it should be the other way around.

 

[Brodie0]

So some remote metric that you won't link??

I can’t link it because there’s some formatting issue that prevents the table from showing up on mobile, so idk if I would have the right link. It isn’t hard to find, just google “SP+ Bill Connelly.”

 

[BCClone]

Yeah, like every other all-conference and all-america team in the country.

That fullback dig was funny though, well done.

ACC uses 3 also.

 

[BCClone]

I can’t link it because there’s some formatting issue that prevents the table from showing up on mobile, so idk if I would have the right link. It isn’t hard to find, just google “SP+ Bill Connelly.”

I googled Bill Connelly, here is what I found out

He is SBN's lead tennis writer and has penned a series of longform features.

I posted three links that refuted what you said, and you gave me the SB nations lead tennis writer?????

 

[Frak]

It has 3, which is kind of weird. What's weirder is that it has 4 second team WR spots.

The B1G has 2 first team spots, which both the Minney WRs got. Sorry, but Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., have really good WRs every year.

And what's funniest is that you guys saying that ISU sees top WRs every week and that your DBs wouldn't be impressed by Minnesota's WRs seem to be forgetting is that when ISU did face those top Big 12 WRs, they abused your DBs.

Tell me who Lamb and Mims DIDN'T destroy. tOSU does have good WRs every year and Hamler was great for PSU. It's my opinion, but I don't think either of the Minnesota WRs would be first team in the B12. And I don't think that they'd have the stats they had in the B10. I do think that someone like James Taylor would rip up the conference similar to what Chuba Hubbard did.

 

[Cat Stevens]

So some remote metric that you won't link??

those metrics are only available at prestigious, yet unnamed grad schools, right benj?

 

[Brodie0]

I googled Bill Connelly, here is what I found out

He is SBN's lead tennis writer and has penned a series of longform features.

I posted three links that refuted what you said, and you gave me the SB nations lead tennis writer?????

I don’t think you know how to google. This should be the correct link, but again, it doesn’t show up on mobile, so maybe not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...ngs-2019-college-football-season?platform=amp

 

[Gonzo]

Tell me who Lamb and Mims DIDN'T destroy. tOSU does have good WRs every year and Hamler was great for PSU. It's my opinion, but I don't think either of the Minnesota WRs would be first team in the B12. And I don't think that they'd have the stats they had in the B10. I do think that someone like James Taylor would rip up the conference similar to what Chuba Hubbard did.

I'll just go ahead and disagree.

And I've heard James Taylor has a pretty sharp cut in the open field...

 

[Brodie0]

Tell me who Lamb and Mims DIDN'T destroy. tOSU does have good WRs every year and Hamler was great for PSU. It's my opinion, but I don't think either of the Minnesota WRs would be first team in the B12. And I don't think that they'd have the stats they had in the B10. I do think that someone like James Taylor would rip up the conference similar to what Chuba Hubbard did.

What is the argument that their stats would be worse playing in the Big XII, that their teammates would be better and siphon away touches? Doesn’t make much sense logically for two wide receivers to move to an offense-oriented conference with worse defenses and have their stats go down.

 

[BCClone]

I don’t think you know how to google. This should be the correct link, but again, it doesn’t show up on mobile, so maybe not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28497018/final-sp+-rankings-2019-college-football-season?platform=amp

So you want me to take the word of a guy who has a team at number 1 that lost in the semi finals to a team that got abused in the finals, that that is who had good defenses. He has UAB and northwestern in the top 30 and those were a couple poor teams. UAB doesn't even play in a P5. I listed three sets that seem to be fairly consistent, you can take your lead tennis writer and run with him.

 

[Brodie0]

So you want me to take the word of a guy who has a team at number 1 that lost in the semi finals to a team that got abused in the finals, that that is who had good defenses. He has UAB and northwestern in the top 30 and those were a couple poor teams. UAB doesn't even play in a P5. I listed three sets that seem to be fairly consistent, you can take your lead tennis writer and run with him.

Sure, you use the disreputable metrics that no one uses or respects, and I’ll use the most well-respected efficiency ratings in college football. Sounds about right.