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I'm sure others have posted the same thing, but I think it bears repeating.

The funniest thing to me about the "data and metrics" that Reynolds uses is how arbitrary the point system is. You need 10 points out of 12 for a shelter in place order to be issued. Here's a (admittedly ridiculous) hypothetical situation: Everyone dies in the state except those in long-term care facilities. Since there wasn't an outbreak in those, you'd only reach 9 of the required 10 points for a shelter in place order to be issued.

I'm all for following the data, but when there are known issues with the data, as well as relatively arbitrary metrics, it doesn't make any sense to solely make decisions, especially those that potentially make a life or death difference, upon flawed data.
 
The more I listen to her the more she reminds me of the culver press conferences. You can tell it’s a stuffed suit. Just repeating talking points. You don’t get anything out of these outside of the first 3-5 minutes.
 
spk123 said:
I'm sure others have posted the same thing, but I think it bears repeating.

The funniest thing to me about the "data and metrics" that Reynolds uses is how arbitrary the point system is. You need 10 points out of 12 for a shelter in place order to be issued. Here's a (admittedly ridiculous) hypothetical situation: Everyone dies in the state except those in long-term care facilities. Since there wasn't an outbreak in those, you'd only reach 9 of the required 10 points for a shelter in place order to be issued.

I'm all for following the data, but when there are known issues with the data, as well as relatively arbitrary metrics, it doesn't make any sense to solely make decisions, especially those that potentially make a life or death difference, upon flawed data.
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Yep. Its pretty understood that in order to get a more formal stay at home order, by her criteria we'd have to be well past the point **** had already hit the fan here, which is a problem because the order is supposed to be preventative
 
CycloneErik said:
I know. I just marvel that anyone lets people get away with that.
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If she were interviewing for a job, she'd be laughed out of the room with most of her responses.

It really seemed at the opening that they were making a concerted effort to be direct and answer the questions they say they're getting - as if that is some novel idea they've never tried before as opposed to the entire purpose of these press conferences for weeks now.
 
Rabbuk said:
If you don't think fauci has looked at all the data and is continuously doing so and hasn't forgotten more about any subject than Kim Reynolds ever knew then you're lying to yourself.
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You think Fauci is looking at all the data for every town, city and state nationwide? I would hope Reynolds isn't the one looking at statewide data. It should be state heath officials.
 
BCClone said:
The more I listen to her the more she reminds me of the culver press conferences. You can tell it’s a stuffed suit. Just repeating talking points. You don’t get anything out of these outside of the first 3-5 minutes.
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I mean, Reynold's isn't a medical expert so she's getting information from those who are (at least I would hope) so it makes sense that she can't talk extensively about the topic. Obviously she's repeating talking points from other people, that's basically what politicians do. If she's ignoring advice from those experts that's definitely a huge issue.
 
You know the World is in the crapper when I feel the need to stick up for Reynolds. Ugghhhhh maybe I Covid 19 and am having hallucinations.

As she mentioned 80% of Iowa's workfirce falls into the "essential" category so a SIP is not going to change much. I get that it may cause some people to take things more seriously but big picture the "essential" workers now are "essential" workers under the SIP.

I need to go puke my guts out now.
 
isufbcurt said:
You know the World is in the crapper when I feel the need to stick up for Reynolds. Ugghhhhh maybe I Covid 19 and am having hallucinations.

As she mentioned 80% of Iowa's workfirce falls into the "essential" category so a SIP is not going to change much. I get that it may cause some people to take things more seriously but big picture the "essential" workers now are "essential" workers under the SIP.

I need to go puke my guts out now.
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Can she back up that 80% number, or is that just a bs # to bluff people on so they back off?
If it's real, then she can provide stats to back it up beyond just saying 80%.
 
CycloneErik said:
Can she back up that 80% number, or is that just a bs # to bluff people on so they back off?
If it's real, then she can provide stats to back it up beyond just saying 80%.
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Minnesota is 78%. So you can tell she guessed at 80-81. Probysince we are more rural. Higher the rural, the higher the essential.
 
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Can she back up that 80% number, or is that just a bs # to bluff people on so they back off?
If it's real, then she can provide stats to back it up beyond just saying 80%.
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People act as if Moses came down from the mountain, and in his hands were stone tablets that detailed which employees were essential, and this is untouchable for all of time.

You have executive authority. If you're so concerned about safety, make some tough choices and send some of these "essential" people home.
 
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Can she back up that 80% number, or is that just a bs # to bluff people on so they back off?
If it's real, then she can provide stats to back it up beyond just saying 80%.
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I agree. But if you think about all the Agricultural, State Employees, Financial/Insurance and Manufacturing that is a huge base. Then you add in all the other things that are deemed essential medical, grocery, auto, construction, etc. I think 80% is pretty easy to get to.

As I have mentioned before "essential" covers a lot of area (some most probably don't deem essential) and it is probably easier to list the "non-essential" workers.
 
Trice said:
People act as if Moses came down from the mountain, and in his hands were stone tablets that detailed which employees were essential, and this is untouchable for all of time.

You have executive authority. If you're so concerned about safety, make some tough choices and send some of these "essential" people home.
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I understand what you are saying but almost all states are operating off the Dept of Homeland Security list with specific additions to it for their state.
 
isufbcurt said:
I agree. But if you think about all the Agricultural, State Employees, Financial/Insurance and Manufacturing that is a huge base. Then you add in all the other things that are deemed essential medical, grocery, auto, construction, etc. I think 80% is pretty easy to get to.

As I have mentioned before "essential" covers a lot of area (some most probably don't deem essential) and it is probably easier to list the "non-essential" workers.
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That can work. It wouldn't hurt her to spell that out in a couple of sensical sentences.
She could pretty much copy and paste your answer, work around a couple words, and have an actual answer.
 
At this point, just to get people of my back, I would just say "Iowa is now SIP". Next the reporters would ask what has changed and I'd say nothing.
 
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Trice said:
People act as if Moses came down from the mountain, and in his hands were stone tablets that detailed which employees were essential, and this is untouchable for all of time.

You have executive authority. If you're so concerned about safety, make some tough choices and send some of these "essential" people home.
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Also, given >20% are WFH right now, clearly not everyone theyre calling 'essential' is unable to WFH.
 
I am "essential" and still going to the office everyday.

If there is a stay-at-home order or shelter-in-place I will start working from home and still be "essential"
 
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