Sorry, there are too many self conflicting statements in your posts to debate with.
Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)
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Sorry, there are too many self conflicting statements in your posts to debate with.
Not that I know of. Most are following the "essential" items on the Department of Homeland Security site. In fact Illinois actually added more "essential" categories.
Kinda hoping she comes out today and declares a Shelter in Place Michael Scott style.
There are still some non-essential businesses, like mine, that would be required to wfh if this mandate would come. Most of the people saying "we're fine and don't need to do more" are already in their homes and feel safe.
Huge horse auction in wayne county right now. Hundreds of people in attendance. Iowans are not "doing the right thing".
Yeah I realize I talked in a circle before.. too much coffee this morning I guess.
Oh I know we would, but that doesn't mean we would be granted that, nor would it mean my company wouldn't take necessary steps to help keep the workers safe. Mine would cut staff down to only the essential people who absolutely need to be in the office. I presume there are others out there like this company who would do the same.
These maps generally disagree with you
But Wayne County is real close to some of those darker counties.
Frankly determining what businesses are essential or not is a difficult task, because once you determine one essential business you have umpteen that support it in some way shape or form and umpteen others that support each of those. That being said I was thoroughly pissed off this last weekend when a Kirby salesman came to my door and said they had been deemed an essential business and wanted to come in and give a demonstration. Get the F outta here. That is ridiculous that these walking virus spreaders are allowed to continue business as usual. If anyone would get sick after they came to their door you would think there could be a lawsuit involved.
I think "granted that" is where you lost me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any state with an SIP is requiring you to stop doing business until you receive direct permissions from the state?
How does SIP affect the nursing home any differently than what they are doing now workers temps taken no visitors no communal dining or group activities separate those with symptoms .
But the reality is in all states there is a common long list of essential businesses that cover a large percentage of businesses explicitly, then they all have the exception for "businesses that help those on the essential list operate." So considering Iowa's explicitly closed businesses vs. those closed under the formal SIPs in other states, it's not that big of a difference.
Second, in terms of enforcement, almost all cities and states range between "we aren't going to fine or charge people" to "we could fine or charge people, but we really are relying on voluntary compliance." So at this point I would say there isn't really a lot of bite to the SIP in most places. Of course that could change, and having SIP in place allows that to happen, but you could just as easily do what Iowa's doing now, then jump straight to an enforceable SIP with fines in place and ready to be enforced.
I don't think anyone is saying enacting SIP is "too hard," because it's not. Enforcing it in a meaningful way in terms of actually making businesses close when they make the case they are essential or in support of essential businesses is hard. Enforcing people disobeying it by actually fining them or charging them with a crime is hard. That's why people are making a case that what Iowa has and most states' SIPs probably aren't all that different.
What we're doing now vs SIP wouldn't affect elder care facilities at all. They have the most stringent controls of any place.
Edit: A couple of posters beat me to the punch.
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Not to mention the California one also says to still go outside for walks and etc, just adhere to the 6 foot rule.
Quite frankly the SIP, as someone else mentioned, is like the guarantee in Tommy Boy. It's just a phrase, that with so many exemptions barely does anything.
Personally a SIP in place doesn't change anything for me. I am still going to go pick up/deliver taxes for clients, I am still going to clients businesses to do their bookkeeping, I am still going to the race parts store to get racing parts, I am still going to Lowes to get supplies for home projects.
Oh, so you don't think hepa filtration is important in times like these? Just going to leave all those tiny germs living in your carpet there during isolation?
(Side note, kind of fun to try to figure out ways to make everything essential).
Since there are so many world-class statisticians and epidemiologists on here, today’s narrative behind the daily update may be informative or interesting...
It also evaluates their models at different dates versus reality.
http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates
It also evaluates their models at different dates versus reality.
http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates
I'm not 100% sure how that works. I'm not sure if the local shoe store got a letter or an email or whatever, but they shut down. I'm not sure we would get something similar or if they would simply allow Iowa businesses to determine themselves whether they fit into those categories. I would agree that it would basically not change anything if they were relying on businesses to actively shut down themselves.
I would absolutely agree.. So why is this being used in our Governor's criteria in determining more drastic measures and how in the heck are these places still being effected to the extent they are?
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