Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[Statefan10]

Two things:

1.) It was confirmed the elderly care facility in Cedar Rapids added 9 new cases yesterday. Monday there were 21 confirmed cases and now it's at 30.. in one single facility. That is not good at all.

2.) With how we've been testing and the current increase rate, we're likely to be sitting close to 600 cases today when announced. Yesterday the prediction was around 505 and we had 497. Today we're projected to be around 590.

 

[cowgirl836]

Eh, I disagree with this. I live in Wisconsin and we currently have a stay-at-home order but none of the bolded. Just having that stay-at-home order has seemed to help. There does seem to be less people out since it went into effect. Maybe @cowgirl836, @stormchaser2014, and @madguy30 (and other Wisconsin residents) can also give their thoughts.

More businesses definitely closed or went to wfh even with the extensive essential businesses. Ours (essential) went from some people still going in 1x a week or more to go home stay home unless you are actually needed on site

Spouse company...not sure if essential but several thousand employed and they went from wfh if possible and strongly encouraging it to disabling everyone's keycards and requiring vp level approval to go into the office.

I think businesses do take an actual order more seriously than an encouragement to do something.

 

[NorthCyd]

Eh, I disagree with this. I live in Wisconsin and we currently have a stay-at-home order but none of the bolded. Just having that stay-at-home order has seemed to help. There does seem to be less people out since it went into effect. Maybe @cowgirl836, @stormchaser2014, and @madguy30 (and other Wisconsin residents) can also give their thoughts.

That's good if that is your experience. I had been seeing differently in some of the other states that had stay at home orders, but who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens when and if Iowa makes that call.

 

[Trice]

Eh, I disagree with this. I live in Wisconsin and we currently have a stay-at-home order but none of the bolded. Just having that stay-at-home order has seemed to help. There does seem to be less people out since it went into effect. Maybe @cowgirl836, @stormchaser2014, and @madguy30 (and other Wisconsin residents) can also give their thoughts.

That after all this time people can't see the difference between "I'd really strongly advise you not to do something. Please do not do this" vs. "I'm ordering you not to do this" is totally baffling to me. The message alone will change some behavior, even if the enforcement mechanism is lacking.

 

[WooBadger18]

That's good if that is your experience. I had been seeing differently in some of the other states that had stay at home orders, but who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens when and if Iowa makes that call.

And the challenge is we really need hard data because individual experiences don't tell the whole story. I'm sure you could find people in almost every community who feel like things are/are not different. I just wanted to share my experiences because it does seem to be playing at least some kind of role

 

[Urbandale2013]

Update from my office today:

Boss is now trying to see how we can "skirt" the rules and become essential if shelter-in-place happens.

So that's neat..

I really think this is going to happen in most of the places still working.

 

[Clonefan32]

Update from my office today:

Boss is now trying to see how we can "skirt" the rules and become essential if shelter-in-place happens.

So that's neat..

I think you're going to see a lot of that. I think part of Kim's reluctance to do a shelter-in-place is a realization they can't possibly enforce it. Whether or not that's a good reason is a whole different question.

 

[Cyched]

Update from my office today:

Boss is now trying to see how we can "skirt" the rules and become essential if shelter-in-place happens.

So that's neat..

Not a good idea to do this now, but once the dust settles from this I’d be looking for a new employer

 

[Statefan10]

I really think this is going to happen in most of the places still working.

It might happen in some, however there will also be some in which they require their offices to work from home or at least those who are fully capable to work from home, which will help.

 

[Clonefan32]

Not a good idea to do this now, but once the dust settles from this I’d be looking for a new employer

It's a crappy deal on this. People aren't willing to stand up to their employers in a market like this. I guess you just hope when the dust settles stories start coming out about employers who put their employees at risk.

 

[Statefan10]

I think you're going to see a lot of that. I think part of Kim's reluctance to do a shelter-in-place is a realization they can't possibly enforce it. Whether or not that's a good reason is a whole different question.

If that it truly one of her reasons, I think a simple phone call to one of the governors who is doing this would get her at least some credible information on how to do something along these lines..

 

[isufbcurt]

I mean, that is straight from the CDC recommendations. Why do people seem hell bent on making this the governor’s fault when she’s literally taking guidance and advice from experts?

She could think for herself. For example if I was governor I would say "If you are feeling sick and are showing symptoms go get a test done. However, due to the federal government's incompetence we may not be able to provide you a test but we would still like to have you see a health professional so we can try to determine if you are infected with Covid19 and require further advanced care".

See that wasn't so hard, it just requires her to actually do something that calls out the incompetence at the top.

 

[Statefan10]

She could think for herself. For example if I was governor I would say "If you are feeling sick and are showing symptoms go get a test done. However, due to the federal government's incompetence we may not be able to provide you a test but we would still like to have you see a health professional so we can try to determine if you are infected with Covid19 and require further advanced care".

See that wasn't so hard, it just requires her to actually do something that calls out the incompetence at the top.

There's absolutely no way she is saying something along those lines lol.

 

[isufbcurt]

There's absolutely no way she is saying something along those lines lol.

I know because she has no backbone. It is what should be said.

 

[HitItHard58]

Many states' peaks are pushed back to the end of April...that were projected to peak today. Maybe that will just keep happening.

As sad as it is, I'd be kind ecstatic if we're at less than 100,000 by August.

I think we're going to see over 3,000 people per day die due to this in this country for a lot of days over the next month or two and even in Iowa they're going to have a mess.

Maybe the 'what's the big deal?' crowd will start to wake up a bit.

But, someone will still say 'Yeah but more people die in car crashes so I'm not seeing the problem here?'

Do people who make stupid ass "but flu" and "but cars" arguments actually think they're making an intelligent point? What are they trying to say with comments like that? Other things kill people and if we can't eliminate all death we shouldn't get too worked up about a pandemic? Seriously if you've ever made that kind of argument please give me some insight. Comes off as people not really having anything worthwhile to add so they just say something to be part of the discussion but maybe somebody can enlighten me.

 

[BCClone]

Not a good idea to do this now, but once the dust settles from this I’d be looking for a new employer

Yeah, biggest issue I would see is holding employment. I don’t think there will be much hiring the rest of this year. With the reports hitting, this is going to have hard effects on the economy. Especially agriculture, it’s a complete bloodbath in that sector. I’m a lower cost guy and I can’t even show black ink(and that usually carries over for 1-2 years more in Ag).

 

[Statefan10]

My biggest issue..

100% of the things we do can be done from a home setting.

A co-worker has a part-time job at a retail store and works 15-25 hours a week there. Who know who they come in contact with. I'm not fearful I'll get the virus or anything like that.

My biggest issue is just the total lack of acknowledgement of what's going on. Don't sit there and tell me that we can't work from because we need access to the phone or computer.

My workplace is similar, we've discussed that. We currently have someone in the office who has been out all week, and another who's missed the past two days.. From what I know, no one has gotten into contact with them about their symptoms or anything along those lines.

It doesn't help that both of those employees are deniers of this virus and think we're blowing this out of proportion.

 

[Statefan10]

I changed my avatar so I don't get confused with the other leaning Cy person.. I hope everyone is happy.

 

[Clonefan32]

It might happen in some, however there will also be some in which they require their offices to work from home or at least those who are fully capable to work from home, which will help.

Who will require? The State?

As I've said, I'm not opposed to a shelter in place but let's just be realistic about its possible effect. The State is not going to go out on a case-by-case basis and determine if you meet the criteria for "essential". There will be no teeth to this.

What I think Kim has essentially done is stopped the businesses that undoubtedly serve no essential purpose. Basically anything and everything not currently shut down will fall into a grey area that I can't see them enforcing.

As others have mentioned, businesses are already posturing themselves to meet the "essential" criteria. If a business hasn't gone remote/WFH yet, I just don't see them changing now. If it helps nudge them over the edge to going remote, great. I just don't see it happening, but would be glad to be proven wrong.

 

[HitItHard58]

That after all this time people can't see the difference between "I'd really strongly advise you not to do something. Please do not do this" vs. "I'm ordering you not to do this" is totally baffling to me. The message alone will change some behavior, even if the enforcement mechanism is lacking.

At my job, the higher ups tend to send out a blanket email when a handful of people have been ******* up. Inevitably, the people the email was really directed at continue ******* up while everybody else continues doing what they're supposed to do. Social distancing is starting to remind me of that. The bad apples aren't going to comply unless the severity is conveyed in the strongest way possible.