Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[ianoconnor]

There has been a confirmed case in a child. He was in contact with Rudy Gobert.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/03/13/child-with-coronavirus-autograph-from-jazz/

 

[somecyguy]

do you have scientific evidence to back this up? I have heard that going outside isn’t bad but being around tons of people is—-outside or not. And while fresh air does help respiratory system it does not help you from passing it on.

I saw that Italy saw another spike in cases because people were going to the beach and gathering in town squares because they weren’t obeying the lockdown.

Obviously there is a diminishing value, the more people you pack together outside, but in general, it's much better to be around people outside where there is unconfined space rather than inside.

 

[clone4life82]

A lot of districts don't do that.
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most districts do get grants from the government for their free and reduced applicants. The grants are based on a percentage of people that apply (and approved based on their income) for free and reduced vs not.

 

[WhoISthis]

Yes, I could have also mentioned the mortality rate in the under 30 group in all countries is a tiny fraction of those 60 and over. While every death is bad, we also have to realize that the likely option is that grandparents will be watching kids for those unable to work from home. Is that a better option? Absolutely not.

We can assume a million things, all we can go by is facts and/or logic at this point.

Facts are that while they’re have not yet been as many reported cases in that age group, to base a point on reported cases from a segment with the fewest tests is poor logic. The research and medical field is not yet sure just how big, but that age group is probably helping to spread the virus, largely facilitated from the logic you’ve employed.

Hopefully we don’t need to go over the role non-residential schools packed with kids during the day have in spreading viruses and diseases. In regards to societal spread, it potentially have been better if they did show signs, and had some level of mortality rate, as then we’d treat them as the conduits they likely are.

 

[clonedude]

It's obvious that schools should be closed. The only reason they aren't is because for many kids there would be nobody at home to watch them, and for other kids it's the only meal they get during the day. But they should definitely be closed.

Reynolds' idea that we will wait until there is a case at a school before we close it is stupid.... it's too late by then.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

It's obvious that schools should be closed. The only reason they aren't is because for many kids there would be nobody at home to watch them, and for other kids it's the only meal they get during the day. But they should definitely be closed.

Reynolds' idea that we will wait until there is a case at a school before we close it is stupid.... it's too late by then.

The state of Iowa is following the exact guidance set by the CDC. It's not like they are ignoring some other action plan.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...oyxktdKCc5xJX30t-_KJBQquaoK8LI7IqDigTSJqUXGpQ

 

[ISUTex]

most districts do get grants from the government for their free and reduced applicants. The grants are based on a percentage of people that apply (and approved based on their income) for free and reduced vs not.

That's good to hear. I was under the assumption that that program was very underutilized.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I would presume that the other variable in the grouping of kids, health industry childcaring kids, still having schools, is that there has not been a case in a person under 20 in the US yet I believe and in the other countries, the rate has been extremely low when compared to the other populations. By keeping them together you do corral them basically and help to keep them away from others.

This is pretty misleading at best.

 

[Trice]

The state of Iowa is following the exact guidance set by the CDC. It's not like they are ignoring some other action plan.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...oyxktdKCc5xJX30t-_KJBQquaoK8LI7IqDigTSJqUXGpQ

Any guidance from any level of government that is dependent on confirmed cases is utterly and completely worthless. That cannot be underscored enough.

 

[Clonehomer]

It's obvious that schools should be closed. The only reason they aren't is because for many kids there would be nobody at home to watch them, and for other kids it's the only meal they get during the day. But they should definitely be closed.

Reynolds' idea that we will wait until there is a case at a school before we close it is stupid.... it's too late by then.

You just gave 2 reasons that they shouldn't be closed, but still say it's obvious that they should be? Those are real issues that the state must weigh in making a decision.

 

[Clonehomer]

Any guidance from any level of government that is dependent on confirmed cases is utterly and completely worthless. That cannot be underscored enough.

What data would you prefer they used?

 

[Trice]

What data would you prefer they used?

I don't know all the data they have at their disposal, but it's clear that "confirmed cases" data in the US is so underreported as to be meaningless from a decision-making standpoint.

The point is to get out in front of this and "confirmed cases" is, even in a best-case scenario where we're adequately testing (lol), a lagging indicator given incubation periods.

 

[clonedude]

You just gave 2 reasons that they shouldn't be closed, but still say it's obvious that they should be? Those are real issues that the state must weigh in making a decision.

If we want to stop the spread of this........ then yes.... all schools should be closed. That's what is obvious. But you need to put plans in place for this to be able to happen, but it seems other states are doing it, so not sure why we can't?

But Reynolds is just plain idiotic to state we'll think about closing a school when we have a case there. That's way too late. And how are you going to find out you have a case at your school when nobody can get tested?

Our entire country needs to be doing more than we are, but we're too greedy and spoiled to do it.

 

[RealisticCy]

Any guidance from any level of government that is dependent on confirmed cases is utterly and completely worthless. That cannot be underscored enough.

That's too strong....are there likely more cases than those that have been confirmed? Absolutely, but if you ignore the data we have that means we are only guessing. Use the current data, and work very, VERY hard to quickly get better, more accurate data and amend recommendations as that data becomes available.

 

[Trice]

That's too strong....are there likely more cases than those that have been confirmed? Absolutely, but if you ignore the data we have that means we are only guessing. Use the current data, and work very, VERY hard to quickly get better, more accurate data and amend recommendations as that data becomes available.

I'm not saying the data itself is useless to track. I'm saying that confirmed cases is, at this time, not a useful metric to base decisions on whether to keep schools open or hold public gatherings.

 

[clonedude]

I'm not saying the data itself is useless to track. I'm saying that confirmed cases is, at this time, not a useful metric to base decisions on whether to keep schools open or hold public gatherings.

Correct answer. We have no idea whatsoever how many people already have this virus.... none. And all of these people that have it, but have no idea they have it, are just spreading it around to everyone else.... that's why you don't wait until you have confirmed cases to do something about it.

If everyone in your community had been tested, and there weren't any positive cases, then maybe you could still have school.... but that isn't even close to the world we're living in right now.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

All Minnesota schools close Wednesday.

However, the order requires schools to provide care for elementary-age children of healthcare workers, first responders and other emergency workers on school days "to ensure Minnesota’s first line of defense against COVID-19 can stay on the job."

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...minnesota-schools-to-close-starting-wednesday

Schools just turned into daycares in MN for the above at least through March 27th. Most schools have spring break the week of March 23rd.

Planning document for e-learning in MN will roll out today at 10am to the schools.

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They have also stopped all group meetings above 250. Smaller meetings as well if the facility cannot support social distancing of 6ft.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

The testing has been limited, as everyone should be expecting. They had issues with the first tests that they developed giving 30+% false positives, so that also causes a delay, but to expect there to be 200 million test kits available in a month is unrealistic. This is going to spread, there is no doubt about it, but we can not shut down the world to stop it either. Wash your hands and stay away from people the best you can.

If you don't want political responses, you might want to consider what you are posting.

 

[dmclone]

There is no good answer to a lot of these situations.

Sally is single parent that’s a nurse.
Is Sally’s kid Mary going to spread it to her mom?
If Mary’s school is cancelled, Sally can’t work
If Sally can’t work, she can’t pay the bills.
If Sally can’t work, the hospital will be understaffed.

Maybe they should make school optional until this is cleared up. Kind of like my work “if you’re prepared to work from home, we want you to until further notice”. My guess is that about 10% of our workforce will actually show up.

 

[MeanDean]

do you have scientific evidence to back this up? I have heard that going outside isn’t bad but being around tons of people is—-outside or not. And while fresh air does help respiratory system it does not help you from passing it on.

I saw that Italy saw another spike in cases because people were going to the beach and gathering in town squares because they weren’t obeying the lockdown.

Can't find where I read it or heard it. Been so much lately. I did find this FWIW.


https://sacredcowchips.net/2020/03/14/covid-19-killing-it-with-sunshine-fresh-air/