RELEASE: Rasir Bolton will play for the Cyclones this season

I'm up for a little rosterbation. Let's do this!

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Tyrese Haliburton
Prentiss Nixon
Rasir Bolton
Michael Jacobson
Solomon Young/George Conditt

First off the bench: Zion Griffin/Terrence Lewis

Tell me what I'm missing.

Tre Jackson sure looks like he’ll play, and Prohm is saying he’ll be a good player. I think the the big question is how much we can play Jacobsen at the 4 and still defend. Hopefully our experience between him and Solo makes it work pretty well. I really want Griffin to step up.
 
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You mean this...?

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What miserly troll cannot say anything nice about last year...?

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Haliburton
Bolton
Nixon
Jacobson
Young
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Jackson
Lewis
Conditt

That suddenly looks like a much more competitive team. We might surprise some people.
I mean sure, last year was fantastic if you throw out the 5-4 record at Hilton against conference teams, getting bounced by a bad Ohio State team in the first round of the tournament, and pretty much the entire month of February. Without winning the Big 12 tournament we'd consider the end of last year to be an Iowa Hawkeyes level of a collapse. It was nice to be able to piece it all together for a few games in a row though, and I for sure wouldn't give that part back.

As for this years line up, that doesn't look like a bottom feeding line up at all, but there's a lot of question marks and we need a lot of guys to pan out or take steps forward from last year. Wouldn't be surprised if we're just a little under last year's mark, with what we lost in talent being replaced by players willing to work together and being coachable.
 
I mean sure, last year was fantastic if you throw out the 5-4 record at Hilton against conference teams, getting bounced by a bad Ohio State team in the first round of the tournament, and pretty much the entire month of February. Without winning the Big 12 tournament we'd consider the end of last year to be an Iowa Hawkeyes level of a collapse. It was nice to be able to piece it all together for a few games in a row though, and I for sure wouldn't give that part back.

As for this years line up, that doesn't look like a bottom feeding line up at all, but there's a lot of question marks and we need a lot of guys to pan out or take steps forward from last year. Wouldn't be surprised if we're just a little under last year's mark, with what we lost in talent being replaced by players willing to work together and being coachable.

Toy Story would not be Toy Story without Woody and Buzz, too.

You cannot say that, "Well, if X did not have Thing Y that is one of the distinguishing features for defining X that everybody remembers about it, then we would think differently."

Of course we would. Duh. Your point is utterly trivial. Winning the Big 12 tournament is a rare accomplishment in the program's history, and I will never forget it. It is easily the most memorable thing about last year, save for maybe the road wins in Lubbock and Manhattan.

Yes, if we have a better February and beaten Ohio State, then we could have met some of the ragged edges of the expectations we developed in the middle of the season (ones far in advance of our expectations before the season, and I doubt we were beating a very good Houston team in the second-round of the NCAA tournament). We did not. Hold that against them all you want, but when your baseline seems to be matching the accomplishments of the Fizer-Tinsley team (winning both the Big 12 regular season and tournament along with a deep run in March), I imagine you are going to end up disappointed basically no matter what the team does.

The team last year had two guys taken in the second-round, the freshman version of a guy (Haliburton) who might be a first-rounder at some point in the future, and a few D-League/Europe level guys. The Fizer-Tinsley team had a #3 overall pick and a guy who scored 4,652 points a 11-year NBA career. Prohm wrung a lot out of a roster that was not nearly as talented as the 99-2000 era nor as talented and experienced as the later Hoiberg teams.

I am all for having expectations and was disappointed how February 2019 went for the program too, but if that is your mentality, you are never going to be happy.

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Despite all this, I generally agree with your second paragraph. Bolton gives us enough pieces. Better defense and team cohesion can make up for what we lost in raw scoring firepower. You are right, too, we have basically everybody stepping into much larger roles...

Haliburton => primary ball-handler, needs to score more, and needs to lead his team
Bolton and Nixon => both need to be better on defense and learn to score with higher efficiency than at their previous stops for a team with much higher expectations than PSU and CSU
Jacobson => needs to be a primary score and consistently play at his highest level against all levels of competition, needs to be a vocal leader during his senior year
Young => needs to come back 100% healthy and really hit his stride in his development arc, and both Jacobson and Young need to have an outside shot if we are to play them together
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Lewis and Griffin => at least one of them, and ideally both, need to look like 4* recruits rather than what they have been so far, where "bust" is an unfortunately fair description
Conditt => needs to firmly establish himself as a Big 12 big man

I would say that one of the freshman guards/wings needs to be a rotational player, too. Basically everybody up there has to play a tier above what we have seen before.
 
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Toy Story would not be Toy Story without Woody and Buzz, too.

You cannot say that, "Well, if X did not have Thing Y that is one of the distinguishing features for defining X that everybody remembers about it, then we would think differently."

Of course we would. Duh. Your point is utterly trivial. Winning the Big 12 tournament is a rare accomplishment in the program's history, and I will never forget it. It is easily the most memorable thing about last year, save for maybe the road wins in Lubbock and Manhattan.

Yes, if we have a better February and beaten Ohio State, then we could have met some of the ragged edges of the expectations we developed in the middle of the season (ones far in advance of our expectations before the season, and I doubt we were beating a very good Houston team in the second-round of the NCAA tournament). We did not. Hold that against them all you want, but when your baseline seems to be matching the accomplishments of the Fizer-Tinsley team (winning both the Big 12 regular season and tournament along with a deep run in March), I imagine you are going to end up disappointed basically no matter what the team does.

The team last year had two guys taken in the second-round, the freshman version of a guy (Haliburton) who might be a first-rounder at some point in the future, and a few D-League/Europe level guys. The Fizer-Tinsley team had a #3 overall pick and a guy who scored 4,652 points a 11-year NBA career. Prohm wrung a lot out of a roster that was not nearly as talented as the 99-2000 era nor as talented and experienced as the later Hoiberg teams.

I am all for having expectations and was disappointed how February 2019 went for the program too, but if that is your mentality, you are never going to be happy.

* * *

Despite all this, I generally agree with your second paragraph. Bolton gives us enough pieces. Better defense and team cohesion can make up for what we lost in raw scoring firepower. You are right, too, we have basically everybody stepping into much larger roles...

Haliburton => primary ball-handler, needs to score more, and needs to lead his team
Bolton and Nixon => both need to be better on defense and learn to score with higher efficiency than at their previous stops for a team with much higher expectations than PSU and CSU
Jacobson => needs to be a primary score and consistently play at his highest level against all levels of competition, needs to be a vocal leader during his senior year
Young => needs to come back 100% healthy and really hit his stride in his development arc, and both Jacobson and Young need to have an outside shot if we are to play them together
---
Lewis and Griffin => at least one of them, and ideally both, need to look like 4* recruits rather than what they have been so far, where "bust" is an unfortunately fair description
Conditt => needs to firmly establish himself as a Big 12 big man

I would say that one of the freshman guards/wings needs to be a rotational player, too. Basically everybody up there has to play a tier above what we have seen before.

How does the Bolton addition impact our Barttorvik projections? IIRC it previously wasn't accounting for Bolton with the 2019-2020 projections
 
I've been resisting thinking too much about lineups/minutes until this was decided, but may have to nerd out now. @Sigmapolis you feel me?

How does the Bolton addition impact our Barttorvik projections? IIRC it previously wasn't accounting for Bolton with the 2019-2020 projections

Funny thing I noticed --

Our projection on Bart Torvik went down adding Bolton to the lineup.

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I think 104 is just the generic assumption for the ORTG for #150+ freshmen.

Bolton was a pretty inefficient chucker at Penn State as a freshman. His 96.2 offensive rating is ugly to look at. He needs to be much better about that one.

Their model says Bolton will have an ORTG of 101, so less than what they would assume a freshman like Grill or Jackson would have just starting out.

I think that is ridiculous. Yes, Bolton needs to turn the ball over less and shoot better than 40.4% from 2PT range (and he was 36.1% from 3PT, yikes), but having a more balanced offense around him and Haliburton to set him up should do that.

Jackson and Grill being better than Bolton would likely be a pleasant surprise, not a sign that we really suck. So even I take these projections with a little caution sometimes.

:)

Their model just really does not like Bolton and Nixon, and we will rely on both heavily.

We went from roughly #50 to roughly #60 with the update. Again --

Not buying this one. Bolton was disgustingly inefficient as a freshman...

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...but his good 3PT % when assisted says to me that he has more potential as a spot-up shooter than trying to finish at the rim or taking a contested 2PT shot. Haliburton as a floor general and fitting him into Prohm's offense should do him a lot more good than what he had in State College. I am somewhat wary of the notion that he can create his own shot, though.

Looks like he created a lot of shots as a Nittany Lion. He just missed most of them.
 
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Funny thing I noticed --

Our projection on Bart Torvik went down adding Bolton to the lineup.

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I think 104 is just the generic assumption for the ORTG for #150+ freshmen.

Bolton was a pretty inefficient chucker at Penn State as a freshman. His 96.2 offensive rating is ugly to look at. He needs to be much better about that one.

Their model says Bolton will have an ORTG of 101, so less than what they would assume a freshman like Grill or Jackson would have just starting out.

I think that is ridiculous. Yes, Bolton needs to turn the ball over less and shoot better than 40.4% from 2PT range (and he was 36.1% from 3PT, yikes), but having a more balanced offense around him and Haliburton to set him up should do that.

Jackson and Grill being better than Bolton would likely be a pleasant surprise, not a sign that we really suck. So even I take these projections with a little caution sometimes.

:)

Their model just really does not like Bolton and Nixon, and we will rely on both heavily.

We went from roughly #50 to roughly #60 with the update. Again --

Not buying this one. Bolton was disgustingly inefficient as a freshman...

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...but his good 3PT % when assisted says to me that he has more potential as a spot-up shooter than trying to finish at the rim or taking a contested 2PT shot. Haliburton as a floor general and fitting him into Prohm's offense should do him a lot more good than what he had in State College. I am somewhat wary of the notion that he can create his own shot, though.

Looks like he created a lot of shots as a Nittany Lion. He just missed most of them.

Where did Bart torvik have Penn State as a team last year?

I think between the FT shooting and the athleticism you can project a little. Grill shows potential but can’t compete with Bolton at this point.
 
I like George, but still might be a year away. Solomon looked great in Italy; he was his old self if not more. I think I like him to start with George rotating as the third post man.

Jackson might get a fair amount of playing time as a bench gunner. I think Lewis is the other man for behind ahead of Griffin.
My gut is Conditt will start and they will work Solomon in slowly to ensure he's ready physically. They probably know what they have with him health-wise right now, but you never know 100% until you see him bang with dudes in games.
 
My gut is Conditt will start and they will work Solomon in slowly to ensure he's ready physically. They probably know what they have with him health-wise right now, but you never know 100% until you see him bang with dudes in games.
Solomon is ready, he started every game on the Italy trip and was arguably our best player over there.
 
Huge news for the season. Hopefully this is the piece they needed to get back to the tournament.
 
My gut is Conditt will start and they will work Solomon in slowly to ensure he's ready physically. They probably know what they have with him health-wise right now, but you never know 100% until you see him bang with dudes in games.

Solomon is ready, he started every game on the Italy trip and was arguably our best player over there.

Yeah, Solomon looked like his old self only better in Italy.

We missed having an enforcer down low last season. Guys like Kaleb Wesson and Tyler Cooke who absolutely killed us on the block and on the boards in certain games last year would have thought twice with Solomon putting a body on them.

Even if Conditt eventually starts, Solo is going to play 20+ (at least) per night if he is healthy. I think he is the only one on the roster to have started multiple NCAA tournament games. Yes, it was only two (compared to one by TH and MJ), but it counts.
 
Good deal! I don't want to put too high of expectations on the kid but having another good shooter and ballhandler available certainly can't hurt any.
 
This is big time. His addition to this roster makes me a lot more optimistic about our tournament chances. He’s extremely fast and really explosive. We really needed another proven scorer and now we have it.

I really like the trio of Nixon, Haliburton and Bolton and the depth of Jackson, Lewis, Grill and Leech.


Awesome that we get him this year. Just cap city highlights but definitely appears to have a nice quick, soft touch on his shot. Also will really be able to help push our offense to the other end on a break with his speed
 
I think an under the radar ability that Bolton has that us fans haven't been exposed to yet is Rasir's athleticism. Watching his highlights at Penn State, the CCL, and also some of his workouts, he is extremely quick and explodes to the rim. Some of his dunks in the CCL really surprised me.

In comparison to Wigginton, I don't think Bolton is quite as athletic, but I honestly think he's going to be a better finisher. There were times when Wigginton jumped up with defenders almost trying to dunk over them and when he knew he couldn't, he'd hang and throw something up. Bolton is more crafty and will use his body to his advantage to be able to finish in multiple ways around the rim: floaters, up and under, etc.
 
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