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considering that different Native American groups have been protesting Chief Wahoo since the 70's, I think your ire might be somewhat misguided.
MLB: Goodbye to Chief Wahoo
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The Spiders were historically bad. As a name would the House of David be acceptable?
No ire here, sir. Just saying social media has obviously had a massive affect on movements like this, for better or worse. So after 40 years of unsuccessful protests, twitter comes along and boom, Cleveland Spiders.
Considering I live in metro Detroit I'm offended by the fact that Cleveland exists at all, so yeah, your idea not going to work.
Someone I know is all worked up about this, ranting about everything being too PC, snowflakes everywhere, etc.
This same guy was demanding Stanford fire their president and their band be dismantled, apologize to the whole state, etc after the farmersonly.com halftime show.
He’s also not smart enough to see the irony in it once someone finally called him out on it. That’s not shocking however. Stereotypes are ok for thee but not for me!!!
This same guy was demanding Stanford fire their president and their band be dismantled, apologize to the whole state, etc after the farmersonly.com halftime show.
He’s also not smart enough to see the irony in it once someone finally called him out on it. That’s not shocking however. Stereotypes are ok for thee but not for me!!!
I think the big issue is certain Native American advocate groups aren’t interested in finding a middle ground. Like I said earlier I think this one in particular would have gone away much earlier if that was the case. As lon. As you have groups who continue to fight against non offensive things you will have people skeptical of even more simple ones to change.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy
This link kind of explores it. I haven’t fully read it but I know that there are cases where groups have fought against teams being the Indians. Those schools don’t have logos like Cleveland. That’s probably the biggest obstacle because many myself included don’t feel eager to compromise with people who aren’t interested in finding a common ground that respects and admired their culture.
Saw this on reddit, the Cleveland Buckeyes, which was the old negro league team from Cleveland. Take a negative and turn into a positive and be the team to represent that entire league.
Now Ohio State would never allow it, but something that honors the Negro League would be awesome
Now Ohio State would never allow it, but something that honors the Negro League would be awesome
How is there middle ground here?
This is a cartoon head of an offensive stereotype. This isn’t pc this is a purposeful representation of a stereotype.
You are wanting to negotiate a level of offensiveness with a group that this targets? That’s even more offensive
I'm not sure that OSU has any say in MLB team names.
Signed,
Detroit, LSU, Clemson, Missouri Tigers
Agreed -- still miffed they went with Washington Nationals instead of Washington Grays.
I think it was the Columbus Buckeyes in the Negro League, though. Cleveland seemed to have had the Cleveland Browns, Elites, Hornets, Tigers, and Tate Stars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_National_League_(1920–31)
Cleveland Blues or Cleveland Spiders still draw from their history, however.
I never understood why not the Kansas City Monarchs for the same reason, too.
People like to be offended at stuff. Even when it's not offensive. These Indian Logo's are not offense to most Native Americans. I am not offended by the Fighting Irish Logo or name and I am Irish. I don't think it honors us as Irish people and it plays into a stereotype about us getting drunk and into fights. However, oh well it's not a big deal. They named that team based on us being knows as fighters. Just like The Indians were named that because of the Tribes in Ohio and them being strong.
This is all just politically correct crap. The only people who are offended are white people who like to be offened at everything for every thing that happens. They have done polls and most Native Amercians can give a rip less about a team or logo being about them.
This is all just politically correct crap. The only people who are offended are white people who like to be offened at everything for every thing that happens. They have done polls and most Native Amercians can give a rip less about a team or logo being about them.
As a kid, I loved the Washington Redskins and Indians. As an adult, my position has evolved.
I believe the National Congress of American Indians among other native groups has been advocating for this since at least 1968, but lets diminish their input.
Debate is good and healthy and helps move a society forward. Politics infuse all aspects of life and sports are no exception. As I've noted before, Jack Trice's presence on the field was inherently political in light of politicians of the day agitating to keep the races separate. I'm sure people at the time cried foul and advocated to keep him sidelined, because they didn't want all this political crap sullying the game.
Cat Stevens had a good rebuttal further down.
I will note that some other sports teams have nailed this tricky balance, while the Indians and Redskins are just beyond ridiculous at this point. Miami (Ohio) University added a great logo that honored the Miami tribe, in partnership with them. See it here:
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...opts-new-logo-honoring-miami-tribe/776254001/
Would you ask the NAACP what level of racism/stereotype is ok with a Sambo caricature or a "magical negro" trope then rail against them if they demonstrated an unwillingness to find a common ground in your "respect" of their culture?
Through American history, native groups have suffered from mass genocide and subjugation and still suffer some of the highest poverty rates in America. The Indians were not named because of "the Tribes in Ohio and them being strong." Much research has been done into the psychological harm that stereotypical behavior and tropes cause, especially in impressionable children. It also has socioeconomic impacts on adults.
Your "history" of the Fighting Irish nickname is also blatantly wrong. I believe four of the six originating priests of Notre Dame were Irish and the school was originally overwhelmingly Irish, thus the Irish school essentially named themselves. Also, just like any other team name of the era, they were the Fighting Irish, just like the Fighting Tigers, Fighting Cyclones, etc. It was a turn of phrase.
But it's good to know that you aren't offended by the logo of a mythical creature--the leprechaun. I'm sure the leprechaun people appreciate your support.
I believe the National Congress of American Indians among other native groups has been advocating for this since at least 1968, but lets diminish their input.
Debate is good and healthy and helps move a society forward. Politics infuse all aspects of life and sports are no exception. As I've noted before, Jack Trice's presence on the field was inherently political in light of politicians of the day agitating to keep the races separate. I'm sure people at the time cried foul and advocated to keep him sidelined, because they didn't want all this political crap sullying the game.
Cat Stevens had a good rebuttal further down.
I will note that some other sports teams have nailed this tricky balance, while the Indians and Redskins are just beyond ridiculous at this point. Miami (Ohio) University added a great logo that honored the Miami tribe, in partnership with them. See it here:
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...opts-new-logo-honoring-miami-tribe/776254001/
Would you ask the NAACP what level of racism/stereotype is ok with a Sambo caricature or a "magical negro" trope then rail against them if they demonstrated an unwillingness to find a common ground in your "respect" of their culture?
Through American history, native groups have suffered from mass genocide and subjugation and still suffer some of the highest poverty rates in America. The Indians were not named because of "the Tribes in Ohio and them being strong." Much research has been done into the psychological harm that stereotypical behavior and tropes cause, especially in impressionable children. It also has socioeconomic impacts on adults.
Your "history" of the Fighting Irish nickname is also blatantly wrong. I believe four of the six originating priests of Notre Dame were Irish and the school was originally overwhelmingly Irish, thus the Irish school essentially named themselves. Also, just like any other team name of the era, they were the Fighting Irish, just like the Fighting Tigers, Fighting Cyclones, etc. It was a turn of phrase.
But it's good to know that you aren't offended by the logo of a mythical creature--the leprechaun. I'm sure the leprechaun people appreciate your support.