One in-state player? That's it? No one forced him to commit somewhere. Hell, it's 10 months until NSD. Everyone sends out offers for kids not at the top of their list. Even iowa.
Lil Ferentz takes digs at ISU
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One in-state player? That's it? No one forced him to commit somewhere. Hell, it's 10 months until NSD. Everyone sends out offers for kids not at the top of their list. Even iowa.
First off, I don't really care that BF made the comment. All's fair in recruiting. If ISU misevaluates an early offer, that's part of the risk that they have to take to go head to head with more successful programs. Then they either have to take a kid that they don't really want or risk the backlash from HS coaches and the media for pulling an offer. It's all part of recruiting at a place like ISU. What I do care about is the insinuation that ISU is doing something wrong or unethical. They have their strategy and iowa has theirs. There is no "right" way to do it.
I do think that your understanding of Iowa's recruiting strategy is very, very naïve. You're basically saying that they don't have a board somewhere in their FB offices ranking potential recruits. Rivals has iowa offers for 12 uncommitted WRs right now. I have no idea how many spots they need to fill, but let's say 2-3. So you're saying that they don't have guys in that list of 12 that they like more than others? Of course they do. And if the guy they like 12th-best calls and wants to commit while their top ranked guy is strongly considering them, they don't slow play that #12 guy while the #1-3 guys go through their decision making process? That's just stupid. Of course they prioritize and not all offers are immediately committable. The way you do it is to call and text your top guys more often and push for a visit and a commitment while not contacting your lower ranked guys as often and telling them to take visits and go through the decision-making process. That's Recruiting 101 or you could call it Sales 101 if there's a limited amount of product you're selling. Push for your top guys while still maintaining a good relationship with your lower-ranked guys. Then push for those players when/if the higher-ranked guys go somewhere else. And if your list gets thin, you send out a new round of offers.
I'm not saying what iowa does is wrong at all. They've been plenty successful with their strategy. But I guarantee that they prioritize recruits just like everyone else.
I'm not the one coming back here over and over under new usernames. I'll let you figure out what that makes you.
Who says ISU isn't telling a kid I have a need for 4 WRs and when those spots are filled the offer is off the table. Yes ISU is going to over offer they pretty much have to get in on kids early and stick with them. Most wont ever think of going to ISU but it is getting ISU name out there and a foot in the door. Iowa is in a much better place than ISU and can be a little more picky. CRP didn't offer high level kids because he knew he couldn't get them, and that method sucked the talent out of the program.
Anyway, I took BF's comments and being upset ISU is offering kids before Iowa is and forcing Iowa to make a decision on them before Iowa is ready to.
There are probably other kids as well. Iowa is getting pissy because they don't have their pick of this part of the country now and of KF may have to work at getting kids to IC.
Nice confession Chode. We know you are still a loser.
ISU has always gotten A few good Iowa kids. I mean ISU fans brag that Rhoads landed the states top ranked player like 3 years in a row. Rhoads landed Lazard, and Campos, both much higher ranked than Downing.
Well this settles it. Only a Clone Homer would think what Brian said means he is scared of CMC or ISU Chris Williams admitted that this is a Clone Homer perspective and he is the King Kong of Clones.
Homer perspective: Why is Ferentz worried about this? Iowa beat Iowa State 42-3 last year. P.J. Fleck hasn’t coached a single game in the Big Ten. Ferentz comes off as feeling threatened by his regional rivals on the recruiting trail. I can understand why, considering Nebraska and Minnesota are currently ranked 10th and 11th in the 247 national recruiting rankings. Iowa State just hauled in its two best classes in program history. Also according to 247, Iowa has 93 offers of their own out right now. Iowa can’t possibly intend on signing all of those kids.
Homer perspective: Why is Ferentz worried about this? Iowa beat Iowa State 42-3 last year. P.J. Fleck hasn’t coached a single game in the Big Ten. Ferentz comes off as feeling threatened by his regional rivals on the recruiting trail. I can understand why, considering Nebraska and Minnesota are currently ranked 10th and 11th in the 247 national recruiting rankings. Iowa State just hauled in its two best classes in program history. Also according to 247, Iowa has 93 offers of their own out right now. Iowa can’t possibly intend on signing all of those kids.
Downing strikes me as a kid much like Jason Scales in that the football program isn't why they are choosing a school. Downing has said his Agribusiness major is very important so he should pick a school tha offers that program. He also has said distance from home will be a factor that plays into his decision as well. Some kids view athletics as a vehicle to get their education paid for so they can get onto what they really want to do. Good for him.
Iowa knows exactly who they are and what players will fit into our culture. Iowa hasn't in the past recruited based on raw football talent. Yes we have gotten 4 and 5 star kids but by in large we would have taken those players had they been a 1 or 2 star recruit as well. It isn't uncommon for a kid to get and offer from Iowa and see additional offers come in form other schools. Other schools know Iowa's history of developing kids into NFL players so they figure we know what we are looking at.
Can you describe the culture is that CMC is building towards?
I just don't see the "advantage" ISU gets by offering more kids than Iowa does? And if there is an advantage somehow, but it's not illegal, then why isn't Iowa doing it?
Kinda reminds me of Iowa fans getting all upset about Fred bringing in a bunch of transfers/JUCOs, but Fran does it the "right way". Fred did absolutely nothing wrong. He played by the rules. That's Iowa's fault if they aren't taking advantage of all avenues inside the rules. But I still don't see any advantage whatsoever of offering more kids?
For all you golfers out there, it also reminds me of the long putter controversy from years ago. Using long putters and anchoring it to your body was completely legal, but many golfers complained about it saying it gave them an advantage. But if it's legal, can't you do the same thing if it's such an advantage? Why not switch to a long putter if it's so great? Of course now they are illegal, but I still don't understand why? Nobody had an unfair advantage over anyone else.
So if offering more kids is some kind of advantage (which I don't see how it is), and it's completely within the rules, then why complain about it and not just do it yourself if it's so great? Oh, that's right, because Iowa is SO MUCH more moral than everyone else, right? Do KF and Junior already forget the Rhabdo problem where 13 of their players ended up hospitalized and their health was in serious question for a while? Yeah, clean and moral program over there in IC. So much more honorable than any other program in the country.
Kinda reminds me of Iowa fans getting all upset about Fred bringing in a bunch of transfers/JUCOs, but Fran does it the "right way". Fred did absolutely nothing wrong. He played by the rules. That's Iowa's fault if they aren't taking advantage of all avenues inside the rules. But I still don't see any advantage whatsoever of offering more kids?
For all you golfers out there, it also reminds me of the long putter controversy from years ago. Using long putters and anchoring it to your body was completely legal, but many golfers complained about it saying it gave them an advantage. But if it's legal, can't you do the same thing if it's such an advantage? Why not switch to a long putter if it's so great? Of course now they are illegal, but I still don't understand why? Nobody had an unfair advantage over anyone else.
So if offering more kids is some kind of advantage (which I don't see how it is), and it's completely within the rules, then why complain about it and not just do it yourself if it's so great? Oh, that's right, because Iowa is SO MUCH more moral than everyone else, right? Do KF and Junior already forget the Rhabdo problem where 13 of their players ended up hospitalized and their health was in serious question for a while? Yeah, clean and moral program over there in IC. So much more honorable than any other program in the country.
It's illegal because its connected to your body. A golf swing is supposed to be a free swinging motion and that allowed for a hinge.
I understand I guess why they made the rule change, I just could never understand other golfers complaining about it. If it's so great, and such an advantage, why aren't YOU doing it?
Same goes for Junior over in IC. If making a lot of offers helps so much, then why not do it yourself? And don't even try to tell me Iowa is above that. That's laughable. They nearly ruined the kidneys of 13 of their own players with Rhabdo, do they really want everyone to believe they are the "moral" program in the country?
I took that from your post as well. It wasn't whether or not the long putters should be legal or not, it was if it gave the other guy such an advantage, why not do it your self?
Same thing with scholarships. Whatever we are doing certainly irritates BF or he wouldn't even bring it up on a Hawk podcast out of the blue. If he didn't think it made recruiting tougher for him now, why even say anything?
Fact of the matter is, now Iowa HAS to evaluate sooner, because every day that goes by a guy has an ISU offer and not an Iowa one gives us leverage. We get to pitch the "we believed in you from the start" angle while Iowa drags its feet waiting for camps etc. That has to be irritating.
I don't think they thought it was so great or a big advantage. The stats don't say too much other than it's really hard to say that it gave an advantage, so I would say that most players don't think of it as something that will improve their putting that much.
Is there a particular reason that he cares about how many offers we have out there?
The advantage with early offers is that you get to start building the relationship early (and show the kid that you believe in him earlier than others). That can give a school like ISU a chance to hang in when/if bigger names come offering. Of course, when you hand out early offers like that, a lot of kids end up jumping on the bigger offers that come and then you have to hand out more offers to others. Out of ISU's 300 offers, I'm guessing 1/4 have already committed somewhere else and another 1/4 have probably already eliminated ISU.
It's a risky strategy, and Iowa's staff seems to be pretty risk adverse. They haven't been super successful, but they've been successful enough to be more picky and move slower on recruits. ISU does not have that luxury. They need to evaluate earlier, offer and hope that that first mover advantage keeps them in the hunt long enough to get a visit. It almost worked for a kid like Kam White last year. If they get a few kids like that a year, that automatically ups the talent level at ISU. They can still get the players that they would normally get, but just a few players a class can make a huge difference.
The only downside is that there's a chance that they have to pull an offer, which happens pretty much everywhere. That and it's a lot more work, which the ISU staff seems to have no problem with.