***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

[jdoggivjc]

Me too. If that really did happen, apparently I was off in another time continuum during that period...

I wish ISU had finished 5-7.

Heh. Oops. I must have blocked 3-9 out of my memory or something - but yet it proves my point even better than 5-7 does. A 3-9 team isn't going to get prominent TV time, nowhere close to what an 11-2 team gets. Has absolutely nothing to do with what TV sets TCU might bring to the table compared to ISU.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I interupt your talk about the Big 12 dismantling to bring you this news that is big if true.

http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2016/08/27/the-big-12-may-be-close-to-naming-two-new-members/

Personally, Houston would be my #3 choice after BYU and Cincinnati, but if Houston gets us a GOR extension to 2032, I would rather have them than no GOR extension. (I will be 60 in 2032.)

 

[MeanDean]

How crazy is it to consider ISU to the SEC if the Big 12 goes kaput?

They have 14 now. They're not in the Iowa footprint (not a big deal, but something).

Missouri is adjacent so there's geographic contiguous-ness. Which we don't get with ACC or PAC 12.

Who else would they take? WVU? They're already in Texas with A&M. Would A&M have veto power for UT joining? Maybe TCU for Dallas Market?

Probably pretty crazy. And no one is suggesting it. Just wondering why it's never considered an option? Is it just because of (dare I say it) crappy football history?

 

[Cyched]

How crazy is it to consider ISU to the SEC if the Big 12 goes kaput?

They have 14 now. They're not in the Iowa footprint (not a big deal, but something).

Missouri is adjacent so there's geographic contiguous-ness. Which we don't get with ACC or PAC 12.

Who else would they take? WVU? They're already in Texas with A&M. Would A&M have veto power for UT joining? Maybe TCU for Dallas Market?

Probably pretty crazy. And no one is suggesting it. Just wondering why it's never considered an option? Is it just because of (dare I say it) crappy football history?

You think we're not competitive in football now...

 

[MeanDean]

You think we're not competitive in football now...

Yeah, there's that. But seriously - if a choice of landing spots in the SEC or MAC is ISU really going to say, no?

The only reason I bring it up is because no one has thrown it out as a possibility. I seriously wonder why not? That's all.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Yeah, there's that. But seriously - if a choice of landing spots in the SEC or MAC is ISU really going to say, no?

The only reason I bring it up is because no one has thrown it out as a possibility. I seriously wonder why not? That's all.

First, ISU will never have to worry about choosing the MAC. Second, ISU will never have to worry about choosing the SEC.

 

[isu83]

First, ISU will never have to worry about choosing the MAC. Second, ISU will never have to worry about choosing the SEC.

How about the ACC? I'd love it. The main disadvantage would be the distance.

 

[HoopsTournament]

How about the ACC? I'd love it. The main disadvantage would be the distance.

Personally, I think ISU will be in the Big 12. But here if we are playing what conference would ISU most likely end up (in 2025) in I would rank them in this order:

1. Big 12
2. Pac 12
3. MWC
4. Big 10
5. AAC
6. ACC

 

[KnappShack]

I interupt your talk about the Big 12 dismantling to bring you this news that is big if true.

http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2016/08/27/the-big-12-may-be-close-to-naming-two-new-members/

Personally, Houston would be my #3 choice after BYU and Cincinnati, but if Houston gets us a GOR extension to 2032, I would rather have them than no GOR extension. (I will be 60 in 2032.)

Isn't this result really what we all kind of expected at the start? Maybe the mix of schools is different, but a play by the conference to increase revenue and push out the GOR had to be the end game....right?

It doesn't seem our Texas and Oklahoma overlords believe in any subtlety when negotiating

 

[isu83]

Personally, I think ISU will be in the Big 12. But here if we are playing what conference would ISU most likely end up (in 2025) in I would rank them in this order:

1. Big 12
2. Pac 12
3. MWC
4. Big 10
5. AAC
6. ACC

Personally, I think ISU will be in the Big 12. But here if we are playing what conference would ISU most likely end up (in 2025) in I would rank them in this order:

1. Big 12
2. Pac 12
3. MWC
4. Big 10
5. AAC
6. ACC

Yeah Big 12 is my hope as well. Basketball is our strength so if we were going somewhere I'd love to be part of the ACC. Maybe it is a pipe dream I'll admit.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I interupt your talk about the Big 12 dismantling to bring you this news that is big if true.

http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2016/08/27/the-big-12-may-be-close-to-naming-two-new-members/

Personally, Houston would be my #3 choice after BYU and Cincinnati, but if Houston gets us a GOR extension to 2032, I would rather have them than no GOR extension. (I will be 60 in 2032.)

Not sure about the veracity of that report, but let's roll with it. Let's assume the GOR gets extended and BYU and Houston join the conference. I would be curious about how the divisions would shake out with 5 of the 12 schools in Texas.

I would imagine that every school would want a piece of Texas for recruiting purposes - like how the Pac-12 divvied up the state of California. So I'd think a West/East split might be more likely than a North/South.

Here's my shot at divisions that try to maintain rivalries intra-division so they can avoid an annual crossover rivalry. If the conference does go to 12, I'd love for the Big 12 to consider an 8 game conference schedule with a requirement that its members each play two Power 5 teams in non-con, but that's another topic. (Before you say "The networks want 9 games," no, they want inventory they can control, and more non-con games would mean an equal number of games under network control, but with more of a chance to make them interesting - i.e. ESPN getting West Virginia playing Pitt, or FS1 putting Iowa State against Arkansas at Arrowhead in KC.) 8 conference games is easier without the crossover rivalry - you'd just revert to the old Big 12 method of scheduling.


Anyway, I think this is the one of the only ways you could swing it. There are many more options with crossover rivalries.

Big 12 East
Baylor
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
West Virginia


Big 12 West
BYU
Iowa State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech

 

[MeanDean]

First, ISU will never have to worry about choosing the MAC. Second, ISU will never have to worry about choosing the SEC.

Again, I ask, WHY? You know, facts and all like that kind of stuff.

 

[CascadeClone]

Personally, Houston would be my #3 choice after BYU and Cincinnati, but if Houston gets us a GOR extension to 2032, I would rather have them than no GOR extension. (I will be 60 in 2032.)

UC looks like #3, but they would have been my #1 preference - closer to ISU & WV, good bball. I wonder why the networks prefer UH to UC, I would think the TV stuff would be a wash there since Ohio is new territory and Texas is already covered. Just the raw size of the city I suppose.

Not a huge BYU fan-- they bring the most brand, market, and FB success, but seriously disliked the geography. But would take them-- just don't want UH at all. Too much SWC already.

I will also be 60 in 2032...

 

[isucy86]

You think we're not competitive in football now...

Yeah, there's that. But seriously - if a choice of landing spots in the SEC or MAC is ISU really going to say, no?

The only reason I bring it up is because no one has thrown it out as a possibility.

I don't think it has been discussed much because there are better options for SEC expansion that are more in the current SEC footprint - OU, OSU, WVU and outside chance Texas. I even think Cincy might be a more logical choice than ISU.

However, I think ISU is an out-of-the box option if they were looking to expand their MBB brand. They could achieve that by adding ISU and Kansas. However, the schools mentioned earlier can offer both quality FB and solid MBB. But, if any conference can add schools in realignment that are not strong in FB, it is the SEC.

I disagree that ISU would be crushed. I would think we would be added to a division that includes: ISU, Mizzou, KU, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Bama, Auburn. Thats a tough group, but the Big12 schedule is loaded too. Just doesn't have the physical powers Bama and LSU.

Lastly, ISU will never be in the MAC. If we would not be in a Powe5 conference we would be in the MWC, AAC or newly created conference.

 

[CyArob]

Cincinnati and BYU are the only schools I'd want to add. We don't need more SWC teams. And the rest would be very underwhelming, including UConn. Not really a fan of BYU either, mainly the private, religious school thing.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Not sure about the veracity of that report, but let's roll with it. Let's assume the GOR gets extended and BYU and Houston join the conference. I would be curious about how the divisions would shake out with 5 of the 12 schools in Texas.

I would imagine that every school would want a piece of Texas for recruiting purposes - like how the Pac-12 divvied up the state of California. So I'd think a West/East split might be more likely than a North/South.

Here's my shot at divisions that try to maintain rivalries intra-division so they can avoid an annual crossover rivalry. If the conference does go to 12, I'd love for the Big 12 to consider an 8 game conference schedule with a requirement that its members each play two Power 5 teams in non-con, but that's another topic. (Before you say "The networks want 9 games," no, they want inventory they can control, and more non-con games would mean an equal number of games under network control, but with more of a chance to make them interesting - i.e. ESPN getting West Virginia playing Pitt, or FS1 putting Iowa State against Arkansas at Arrowhead in KC.) 8 conference games is easier without the crossover rivalry - you'd just revert to the old Big 12 method of scheduling.


Anyway, I think this is the one of the only ways you could swing it. There are many more options with crossover rivalries.

Big 12 East
Baylor
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
West Virginia


Big 12 West
BYU
Iowa State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech

I would trade the OK and KS schools, keep 9 games with cross overs

West vs. East
BYU vs TCU
ISU vs WVU
KSU vs UH
KU vs OSU
UT vs OU
TTU vs BU

 

[HoopsTournament]

Again, I ask, WHY? You know, facts and all like that kind of stuff.

Just my opinion.

 

[cyclonestate]

Not sure about the veracity of that report, but let's roll with it. Let's assume the GOR gets extended and BYU and Houston join the conference. I would be curious about how the divisions would shake out with 5 of the 12 schools in Texas.

I would imagine that every school would want a piece of Texas for recruiting purposes - like how the Pac-12 divvied up the state of California. So I'd think a West/East split might be more likely than a North/South.

Here's my shot at divisions that try to maintain rivalries intra-division so they can avoid an annual crossover rivalry. If the conference does go to 12, I'd love for the Big 12 to consider an 8 game conference schedule with a requirement that its members each play two Power 5 teams in non-con, but that's another topic. (Before you say "The networks want 9 games," no, they want inventory they can control, and more non-con games would mean an equal number of games under network control, but with more of a chance to make them interesting - i.e. ESPN getting West Virginia playing Pitt, or FS1 putting Iowa State against Arkansas at Arrowhead in KC.) 8 conference games is easier without the crossover rivalry - you'd just revert to the old Big 12 method of scheduling.


Anyway, I think this is the one of the only ways you could swing it. There are many more options with crossover rivalries.

Big 12 East
Baylor
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
West Virginia


Big 12 West
BYU
Iowa State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech

I think the divisions will be split evenly based upon win-loss records, not geography.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I think the divisions will be split evenly based upon win-loss records, not geography.

I think the Big 12 will learn from the B1G's lessons and not do this. (At least, I hope.)

There's a pretty good argument that one strong division and one weak one is the best way for a conference to get in the playoff. I don't think that's the reason for the B1G's West and East, but it's a happy side effect that the conference is glad exists.

 

[isucy86]

Yeah Big 12 is my hope as well. Basketball is our strength so if we were going somewhere I'd love to be part of the ACC. Maybe it is a pipe dream I'll admit.

Just can't see ISU in the ACC. At some point ND is going to be forced to join the ACC if they want in the playoff. The is going to be a push for parity for teams to be eligible for a playoff berth- 9 conference games, 1 P5 non-con and conference has a championship game.

That leaves one spot and even with ND, they will still feel pressure to add a FB power and they would take a run at Texas or OU. If they can't grab a FB power they go for UConn.