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Gov. Abbott says Houston Is #11

tejasclone said:
If Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick think it's a good idea, we should all be running away screaming and hoping for literally anything else.

These guys go to bat for Houston but won't lift a finger for any of the hundreds of dismal social issues in Texas.

... I'll stop there to avoid cave.
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Dan Patrick is a ****. I don't know about the governor
 
I say bring back Missouri, and add Cincinnati first. Then if more is wanted, look at Houston and Memphis. Arkansas wouldn't be a bad fit but pry wouldn't come. Clemson at all?
 
FarminCy said:
I think it's quite a stretch to say Baylor was clearly a better choice than anyone else at the time.
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You could argue tech, but they were clearly 3 and 4.
Houston was in the middle of terrible sanctions and had half the attendance.
TCU was terrible (think worse than baylor first 10 years in the big 12 terrible) with half the students and no one went to games. But revisionist history and all.
 
If things have to truly fallen to the point that some nothing commuter school like Houston is actually getting a genuine opportunity at membership, I think it's fair to say this conference is officially ****ed.
 
This would be an interesting way for Kelvin Sampson to get back into the B12.
 
baylrballa said:
I'm totally making up numbers but half of uh students grew up in houston, fans of UT/A&M, went to uh due to job/family/finances/admissions, never lived on campus and still cheer for UT/A&M.
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They call it "Cougar High" for a reason. If Houston, then why not Rice and SMU and just resurrect the Southwest Conference that we saved from the trash heap 20 years ago.
 
baylrballa said:
You could argue tech, but they were clearly 3 and 4.
Houston was in the middle of terrible sanctions and had half the attendance.
TCU was terrible (think worse than baylor first 10 years in the big 12 terrible) with half the students and no one went to games. But revisionist history and all.
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Want to play the revisionist history game?

At Baylor, she’s also remembered for her part in helping usher Baylor into the Big 12 when it was formed during her time in office.
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http://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/2016/01/ann-richards-governor-trailblazer-and-baylor-legend

Sometime in the 1990s, a transformation was taking place in the way college athletic programs were financed. Conferences, rather than central organizations (the NCAA, the College Football Association) began negotiating their own television contracts, leading the more powerful schools into a superconference mentality. The stronger the conference, the more lucrative the contract. After Arkansas bolted from the Southwest Conference for the Southeast, athletic directors from the Southwest Conference and the Big 8 began discussions about their own superconference. The talks centered on Texas and Texas A&M joining the Big 8, leaving TCU, Houston, Rice, Baylor, Texas Tech and SMU to fend for themselves in a much weakened Southwest Conference.The athletic directors overlooked a few critical factors. Bob Bullock (law degree) and Gov. Richards were Baylor grads. Bullock and Sen. John Montford, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, were Texas Tech grads, as was House Speaker Laney and House Appropriations Committee Chairman Rob Junell.
Stiff-arming them would not be easy.
Bullock, invigorated by the triumph and praise of the previous legislative session, summoned Bill Cunningham of UT and Herb Richardson of A&M to his office early in 1994, when the conference shuffle -- converting the Big 8 to the Big 10 -- was on the verge of being a done deal. Glaring at the two men he said, "You're taking Tech and Baylor or you're not taking anything. I'll cut your money off and you can join privately if you want, but you won't get another nickel of state money."
The university representatives apparently believed the subject was open for discussion, that they had a negotiating position. When they expressed hesitation, Bullock cut them off. "If you want to try me, go ahead," he said. "Governor, we understand," Cunningham said. [1] At that moment, for all practical purposes, the Big 8 became the Big 12.


Read more: Texas politicians, led by Bob Bullock, helped shape Big 12 conference - MRT.com: Opinion http://www.mrt.com/news/opinion/article_59179937-7bbf-5054-8287-427234498274.html#ixzz4F6Fd21zs
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http://www.mrt.com/news/opinion/article_59179937-7bbf-5054-8287-427234498274.html

Baylor's Big 12 existence was never a given.Not in the beginning and not lately.
Following the fall of the old Southwest Conference, three Lone Star State schools — Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech — were locks to join forces with the schools from the Big Eight and form the Big 12.
But the private school from Waco? Not so much.

With the Southwest Conference's other leftovers — TCU, SMU, Rice and Houston — all in play, Texas governor and Baylor alum Ann Richards threw some political weight around, swinging support for her school from the Longhorns, Aggies and Red Raiders to gain inclusion.
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http://newsok.com/article/3642690

So yeah, you can put your claims of "revisionist history" away and quit pretending Texas politicians had nothing to do with shoehorning Baylor into the Big 12 upon its founding.
 
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jdoggivjc said:
Want to play the revisionist history game?



http://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/2016/01/ann-richards-governor-trailblazer-and-baylor-legend



http://www.mrt.com/news/opinion/article_59179937-7bbf-5054-8287-427234498274.html



http://newsok.com/article/3642690

So yeah, you can put your claims of "revisionist history" away and quit pretending Texas politicians had nothing to do with shoehorning Baylor into the Big 12 upon its founding.
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post #53, literally said politics is why baylor and tech got in.
 
HoopsTournament said:
Sorry, but Houston would not be a hit on perception except for some anecdotal comments by bias media.
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You can believe whatever you want, but thinking that Houston is anywhere near an attractive target because they had one decent season playing in a mid major is extremely short sighted.

The fact that Houston is even linked to the conference in anyway is a black eye let alone the insane idea of actual membership.
 
IASTATE07 said:
I think UT is talking out of the side of their mouths. What do they gain by bringing Houston in? With the success of Baylor and TCU they would be stupid to bring another Texas school in.
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You could very well be right. What is the Pres of UT going to say? "Eff those guys!"?? Of course not. Even if he thinks that and wouldn't let them in over his dead body, he is going to say "UH is great!" to make nice.

That doesn't mean he certainly does not want UH in, or out. Just this is kinda what he has to say in public. It's the equivalent of "firmly entrenched".
 
I think we go after bigger fish than teams mentioned other than BYU. U need strong alumni bases, stadium fillers, and strong student numbers with TV markets. Talk to Colorado, BYU, Nebraska, and Missouri. Three of those schools mentioned that I talk with (fans/donors) hate their previous conference. Just saying what I hear, hammer away.
 
And if we add whoever mentioned, this conference is ****ed this conference ****ed up a few years ago and is now paying the price with desperation.
 
scyclonekid said:
I think we go after bigger fish than teams mentioned other than BYU. U need strong alumni bases, stadium fillers, and strong student numbers with TV markets. Talk to Colorado, BYU, Nebraska, and Missouri. Three of those schools mentioned that I talk with (fans/donors) hate their previous conference. Just saying what I hear, hammer away.
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Um, Colorado's, Nebraska's, and Missouri's previous conference was the Big 12.
 
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