Baylor and NCAA Sanctions

agcy68

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Wanted to separate this from the Briles thread.

When I read, from the ESPN article, that the report claims: "reflect a fundamental failure by Baylor to implement Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX) and the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA)." It gets me thinking that there might be NCAA punishments coming. Do you think that might shrink the number of coaches interested in the Baylor job?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/15745318/baylor-bears-dismiss-football-coach-art-briles
 
NCAA ought to stay out of this.
 
don't get your hopes up. They self reported and axed their coach, I wouldn't expect them to issue more severe penalties.

What's coming down the pike for Baylor are the civil suits, which could prove costly
 
NCAA ought to stay out of this.

Why?

I think just as with Penn St, the NCAA has a responsibility to enforce the core mission (protecting and bettering students\kids) if an athletic program forgets whats most important. Counteract the athletic success incentive by making it clear that if you do it and get caught, your athletic system will be ****ed.
 
Why?

I think just as with Penn St, the NCAA has a responsibility to enforce the core mission (protecting and bettering students\kids) if an athletic program forgets whats most important. Counteract the athletic success incentive by making it clear that if you do it and get caught, your athletic system will be ****ed.

Because it's beyond their scope. This is a legal matter, local, state, and federal. Crimes are committed by players all of the time, and the NCAA does not investigate or punish the school for alleged shortcomings in their handling of it. They didn't look into Everson & Satterfield, and the alleged coverup. They didn't go after FSU Jameis Winston's rape case and the alleged coverup. There are countless other examples. Shoot, the big one they did go after, Penn State, became a mess, and ended up biting them in the ***. They even prematurely ended the punishment to avoid lawsuits. The NCAA themselves revealed that there was a lot of trepidation and worry that it wasn't within their scope to punish Penn State because it wasn't.

This situation at Baylor is horrible. The Baylor BOR seems to be doing the right thing by getting rid of the coach, but the NCAA has no business there.
 
Do the feds do much for administrative remedies for the Title IX violations or does it just raise the specter of individual lawsuits? I think typically they threaten to cut federal funding and that leads to improved compliance, which I suppose firing Briles might be an effort to forestall cutting federal funding?
 
Because it's beyond their scope. This is a legal matter, local, state, and federal. Crimes are committed by players all of the time, and the NCAA does not investigate or punish the school for alleged shortcomings in their handling of it. They didn't look into Everson & Satterfield, and the alleged coverup. They didn't go after FSU Jameis Winston's rape case and the alleged coverup. There are countless other examples. Shoot, the big one they did go after, Penn State, became a mess, and ended up biting them in the ***. They even prematurely ended the punishment to avoid lawsuits. The NCAA themselves revealed that there was a lot of trepidation and worry that it wasn't within their scope to punish Penn State because it wasn't.

This situation at Baylor is horrible. The Baylor BOR seems to be doing the right thing by getting rid of the coach, but the NCAA has no business there.

Penn state says hello..Lack of institutional control..NCAA can do whatever they want to Baylor.
 
Penn state says hello..Lack of institutional control..NCAA can do whatever they want to Baylor.

holy hell man, you're on a roll here with crazy posts. As was mentioned in the post you quoted, most of those penalties handed down to PSU were reversed.
 
Penn state says hello..Lack of institutional control..NCAA can do whatever they want to Baylor.

Penn State does say hello. The NCAA came out of that looking terrible. So terrible that they removed the sanctions out of fear of the lawsuits. The NCAA is going to be very, very careful before they put themselves out there again in one of these cases where their scope is limited at best. My prediction is they'll give some token statement saying that Baylor's actions to fire the coach are punishment enough.
 
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This situation at Baylor is horrible. The Baylor BOR seems to be doing the right thing by getting rid of the coach, but the NCAA has no business there.

No doubt the Baylor BOR are circling the wagons, but they get only partial credit for doing the right thing as long as Kenneth Starr is still associated with the University.
 
No doubt the Baylor BOR are circling the wagons, but they get only partial credit for doing the right thing as long as Kenneth Starr is still associated with the University.

touché
 
Penn State does say hello. The NCAA came out of that looking terrible. So terrible that they removed the sanctions out of fear of the lawsuits. The NCAA is going to be very, very careful before they put themselves out there again in one of these cases where their scope is limited at best. My prediction is they'll give some token statement saying that Baylor's actions to fire the coach are punishment enough.

I never said NCAA was going to treat Baylor like Penn st...but this notion that this is beyond scope of NCAA is ridiculous...Penn st. Sanctions were lifted...after they had been in place for 3 years...they were pretty harsh sanctions but honestly it should have been worse..it's one thing if a players mom gets a house..it's entirely different of a program allowed a coach to molest children and players for decades..I'm no fan of the NCAA but when a program turns a blind eye toward harming and destroying innocent lives it deserved everything it gets..

NCAA certainly could have handled it differently..shocker..but id bet at the time if we took a poll most would feel it was just...It seems as though some opinions are that Baylor just wiped their hands clean of this and let's everyone move on...I don't think the NCAA will think that way.
 
Side question, why does Title IX pertain to private universities?

And much of the talk so far has been about football, but this report was pretty damning to the school itself, not just the athletic department.
 
Baylor has not been that good for that long, so yeah they could get the death penalty. Had this been 15 years from now, they would get no punishment.
 
I never said NCAA was going to treat Baylor like Penn st...but this notion that this is beyond scope of NCAA is ridiculous...Penn st. Sanctions were lifted...after they had been in place for 3 years...they were pretty harsh sanctions but honestly it should have been worse..it's one thing if a players mom gets a house..it's entirely different of a program allowed a coach to molest children and players for decades..I'm no fan of the NCAA but when a program turns a blind eye toward harming and destroying innocent lives it deserved everything it gets..

NCAA certainly could have handled it differently..shocker..but id bet at the time if we took a poll most would feel it was just...It seems as though some opinions are that Baylor just wiped their hands clean of this and let's everyone move on...I don't think the NCAA will think that way.

It's not ridiculous. Penn state was a debacle for the NCAA. They folded when the lawsuits started dragging up stuff showing how much they were bluffing their way through it. They are not going to do that again, because the cat is out of the bag on their tactics. Baylor will be ready and waiting to file lawsuits against them if they try any of the strong arm bluffs they did with Penn state. And the ncaa knows that. That's why they won't do much if anything here.
 
Why?

I think just as with Penn St, the NCAA has a responsibility to enforce the core mission (protecting and bettering students\kids) if an athletic program forgets whats most important. Counteract the athletic success incentive by making it clear that if you do it and get caught, your athletic system will be ****ed.

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