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Best Global Warming article I have read

Hmm, if global warming is not happening yet the frenzy around it causes me to pay out the butt to drive somewhere while millions go hungry because we are turning our food into "cleaner" fuel I would like to take my chances with the weather since it is hard to say what is really happening there, anyways. Gas prices and starving people are much easier to prove.
 
Haven't you heard, it is Global CLIMATE Change now. When the facts don't add up you just change a key word or two in the taglines to keep the freight train rolling....
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Hmm, if global warming is not happening yet the frenzy around it causes me to pay out the butt to drive somewhere while millions go hungry because we are turning our food into "cleaner" fuel I would like to take my chances with the weather since it is hard to say what is really happening there, anyways. Gas prices and starving people are much easier to prove.
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Part of the arugement against global warming is that that it is all about the money for those in the saving the earth companies. Think about who makes money in this.
 
The sun spot cycles combining with the warming trend is hard science. We can go back to the middle 1600's and examine these 'Maunder Minimum' periods, and see the result. There was a 50 year period from roughly 1650 to 1700 where there was little to no sunspot activity...and that brought on what was called the Little Ice Age...The Year Without a Summer....ice on lakes in the Northeastern part of this country in June.

The earth's climate does shift, and science can point to that through the ice shelf records.

The thing is, we have such a little snapshot of 'recorded history', that I think some folks have overreacted based on our minute amount of data sampling.

SHould we control emissions? Yes, because that would be good for the air that people breathed, etc. But I just don't think there is manmade global warming.

The amount of 'bad air' that a volcano can belch out (and that has happened, and it has changed the worldwide climate) is incredibly more dangerous than what man can produce, for a variety of reasons.
 
JonDMiller said:
The sun spot cycles combining with the warming trend is hard science. We can go back to the middle 1600's and examine these 'Maunder Minimum' periods, and see the result. There was a 50 year period from roughly 1650 to 1700 where there was little to no sunspot activity...and that brought on what was called the Little Ice Age...The Year Without a Summer....ice on lakes in the Northeastern part of this country in June.

The earth's climate does shift, and science can point to that through the ice shelf records.

The thing is, we have such a little snapshot of 'recorded history', that I think some folks have overreacted based on our minute amount of data sampling.

SHould we control emissions? Yes, because that would be good for the air that people breathed, etc. But I just don't think there is manmade global warming.

The amount of 'bad air' that a volcano can belch out (and that has happened, and it has changed the worldwide climate) is incredibly more dangerous than what man can produce, for a variety of reasons.
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Terrific post.
 
Gotta agree with Jon on this one. He is a slippery one though, you get mad at him about something else and then he comes back with a reasonable and balanced post. Damn him!
 
kingcy said:
Part of the arugement against global warming is that that it is all about the money for those in the saving the earth companies. Think about who makes money in this.
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Over the last 9 years, grants over $50 billion dollars have been given to try to prove man-made global warming. During the same time less than $1 billion to studies which are looking for natural causes.

When Al Gore has been criticized for his large "carbon footprint", he says he is buying carbon offsets to balance out his energy use. Of course, he's buying them from his own company set up to make money in this carbon trading scheme.

We only had a little more than 1 degree rise in temps in the last century. Was that the ideal climate at the start of the 1900's? If it was man-made, I'll guarantee you it wasn't due to carbon dioxide. That is the most ludicrous theory since Chicken Little said the sky was falling.
 
Cy Heavy said:
It sounds like I won't agree with this so I won't read it.
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JonDMiller;506666 The amount of 'bad air' that a volcano can belch out (and that has happened said:
That's what I've heard too. That ONE SINGLE volcanic eruption puts out more CO2 than man has ever put out.
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ISUonthemove said:
That's what I've heard too. That ONE SINGLE volcanic eruption puts out more CO2 than man has ever put out.
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I've heard this too. I guess for me, I wish I could find more "Science" in the middle though. It seems like you either have the "OMG, we're all going to burn to death." or the "We haven't done anything, use all the oil you want" camps. Where I've never been convinced that we as humans have a hard impact on our environment because of CO2 emissions, I can't help but, think that I wish we'd have done a lot of stuff differently. As a country we pollute and fill up land fills like crazy. Weather it's gasoline or paper products we do waste. I do wish we could find a better balance between wastefulness and need.

It just seems so many times it boils down to using oil or not using oil. Personally, I'm more worried about over population and using up resources long before I'm worried about the ice caps melting. Just because Global Warming may not be our fault, doesn't mean we go back to being idiots. It's kind of like the guy who realizes he just lost 3 pounds this week and decides to go out and eat a large pizza in celebration.
 
Clonefan94 said:
I've heard this too. I guess for me, I wish I could find more "Science" in the middle though. It seems like you either have the "OMG, we're all going to burn to death." or the "We haven't done anything, use all the oil you want" camps. Where I've never been convinced that we as humans have a hard impact on our environment because of CO2 emissions, I can't help but, think that I wish we'd have done a lot of stuff differently. As a country we pollute and fill up land fills like crazy. Weather it's gasoline or paper products we do waste. I do wish we could find a better balance between wastefulness and need.

It just seems so many times it boils down to using oil or not using oil. Personally, I'm more worried about over population and using up resources long before I'm worried about the ice caps melting. Just because Global Warming may not be our fault, doesn't mean we go back to being idiots. It's kind of like the guy who realizes he just lost 3 pounds this week and decides to go out and eat a large pizza in celebration.
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Heck, I don't need science to think that it would be a good idea to diversify our energy sources. Just like you want diverse revenue streams in life, for retirement, for day to day living, we should try to find diverse ways to supply our energy demands...and the more renewable those avenues could be, the better.

I don't think that industrial pollutants are a good thing, and they should be reduced. I don't need Al Gore to tell me that.

The problem however, is the captains of Industry probably need some sort of doomsday scenario before they act, put money into R&D for other energy sources.

Some politicos need such scenarios to back away from allowing companies to build new refineries.

It's so damn complicated, and our trillion dollar fossil fuel energy infrastructure won't be easily changed.
 
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