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00clone said:
That's not 'non-emotional'...it's impossible to answer that question in a non-emotional way. You're trying to say you don't let your emotions cause you to make a decision that is good for you, but not good for the 'common good'...but the scenario is flawed from the start. It's a junk exercise contrived by people in support of moral relativism.
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^What he said^
 
00clone said:
That's not 'non-emotional'...it's impossible to answer that question in a non-emotional way. You're trying to say you don't let your emotions cause you to make a decision that is good for you, but not good for the 'common good'...but the scenario is flawed from the start. It's a junk exercise contrived by people in support of moral relativism.
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15 lives vs 1 life is completely non-emotional. You take all emotion out because you're selecting solely on numbers.
 
15 babies and children vs. 1 loved one. And you can see the faces of the babies and children?

I'm glad we don't have to face these kind of decisions.
 
00clone said:
That's not 'non-emotional'...it's impossible to answer that question in a non-emotional way. You're trying to say you don't let your emotions cause you to make a decision that is good for you, but not good for the 'common good'...but the scenario is flawed from the start. It's a junk exercise contrived by people in support of moral relativism.
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Hey, what's the deal with Roundball impersonating you today?
 
3TrueFans said:
If it's 15 strangers vs 1 stranger maybe, and the 1 stranger isn't an adorable little baby or a sweet little old lady.
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I don't know of people are following what I mean when I say non-emotional. When you look at the loved one as a loved one, you've now made that an emotional decision. By looking at it as "adorable babies" you're making it an emotional decision. When you look at that one loved one as "just one person" then the decision goes from emotional to non-emotional logical decision because saving 15 random lives is the logical decision over saving 1 random life.
 
ImJustKCClone said:
I realize that. I mentioned your parameters in the top paragraph.

I'm saying I'm not even sure I could choose if they were all total strangers.
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That's actually a good thing though. A "psychopath" (not actually a bad term, but is used in society as such) would have no problem. It's an easy decision. Just the fact that you hesitate and have to actually think about what you would have to do, even if you still ultimately chose the saving the 15, puts you in a non-psychopathic mindset.

Essentially, psychopaths tend to see in black and white. They don't see the gray areas.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
I don't know of people are following what I mean when I say non-emotional. When you look at the loved one as a loved one, you've now made that an emotional decision. By looking at it as "adorable babies" you're making it an emotional decision. When you look at that one loved one as "just one person" then the decision goes from emotional to non-emotional logical decision because saving 15 random lives is the logical decision over saving 1 random life.
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But if the one person is a "loved one", emotion is already implied. If you said killing one stranger versus 15 strangers, it's a no-brainer.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
I don't know of people are following what I mean when I say non-emotional. When you look at the loved one as a loved one, you've now made that an emotional decision. By looking at it as "adorable babies" you're making it an emotional decision. When you look at that one loved one as "just one person" then the decision goes from emotional to non-emotional logical decision because saving 15 random lives is the logical decision over saving 1 random life.
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You're making a decision to save or kill a loved one, how could it not be an emotional decision?
 
cyrocksmypants said:
That's actually a good thing though. A "psychopath" (not actually a bad term, but is used in society as such) would have no problem. It's an easy decision. Just the fact that you hesitate and have to actually think about what you would have to do, even if you still ultimately chose the saving the 15, puts you in a non-psychopathic mindset.

Essentially, psychopaths tend to see in black and white. They don't see the gray areas.
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psy·cho·path
ˈsīkəˌpaTH/
noun
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  • a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.
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    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]madman, madwoman, maniac, lunatic, psychotic, sociopath;[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]




 
Here's another one:

You're standing next to the split of a train track. There's a passenger train approaching. There's a problem with the rail it's heading to and it will derail and crash if it continues there. The only way to prevent the crash is to switch it over to the rail you're standing by. But right next to you on a rail, there's a person that's been kidnapped and strapped to the track. They're begging and pleading with you to please help them, to save them, to do anything you can to save them from this, but you can't get them off the track. You have two options. You don't switch the track and the passenger train derails and crashes but you've saved the life of the person. Or you switch the track, the train full of people doesn't derail, but it kills the person on the track that's begging for you to save them.

What do you do?
 
cyrocksmypants said:
Here's another one:

You're standing next to the split of a train track. There's a passenger train approaching. There's a problem with the rail it's heading to and it will derail and crash if it continues there. The only way to prevent the crash is to switch it over to the rail you're standing by. But right next to you on a rail, there's a person that's been kidnapped and strapped to the track. They're begging and pleading with you to please help them, to save them, to do anything you can to save them from this, but you can't get them off the track. You have two options. You don't switch the track and the passenger train derails and crashes but you've saved the life of the person. Or you switch the track, the train full of people doesn't derail, but it kills the person on the track that's begging for you to save them.

What do you do?
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You switch the track to save the train. You don't know any of them right? Besides hearing the pleas of the one person strapped to the train track?
 
3TrueFans said:
psy·cho·path
ˈsīkəˌpaTH/
noun
[COLOR=#878787 !important][/COLOR]

  • a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]madman, madwoman, maniac, lunatic, psychotic, sociopath;[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
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Psychopath and sociopath are not the same thing.

Psychopaths are a mental disorder, but it doesn't have to be a violent condition.
 
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