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Stormin said:
Link that quote. IMO, one of the big reasons McCarney had to resign is because our recruiting for football was completely in the tank. UNI was beating us for recruits. We literally had hardly anyone showing any interest in us at all. Things were bleak.
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I can't find the exact quote. However, I know for a fact I heard him say it on the radio. However, here are some quotes regarding the change:

"Our football program has to be healthy for us to have any chance of being successful in the Big 12," Pollard said at the news conference. "It's become clear to Dan and me that the momentum has stalled ... and more and more Cyclone fans are becoming divided."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/big12/2006-11-08-mccarney-resignation_x.htm
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Pollard has embarked on a $135 million fundraiser to renovate antiquated Hilton Coliseum and Jack Trice Stadium. He acknowledged that the football team's recent struggles have made it tougher to raise money for that project, which was approved by the school's Board of Regents in June.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110802028_2.html
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Clearly fundraising/ticket sales are what drove it unless those articles are incorrect. Again, I know I've heard Pollard voice his concern about retaining Dan/selling season tickets, but I can't link a radio interview from 9 years ago.
 
BryceC said:
I can't find the exact quote. However, I know for a fact I heard him say it on the radio. However, here are some quotes regarding the change:





Clearly fundraising/ticket sales are what drove it unless those articles are incorrect. Again, I know I've heard Pollard voice his concern about retaining Dan/selling season tickets, but I can't link a radio interview from 9 years ago.
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It wasn't ticket sales at that point. We were well into the football season and season ticket sales were done. In fact, a lot of individual game tickets were likely already sold for those future games. So I do not buy the football ticket sales argument.

Donations possibly. And big donors could have been voicing their displeasure.

I do know that football recruiting had completely dried up. And I do mean completely. No one was showing any interest at all. IMO, Pollard saw that the football recruiting class was likely to be a disaster. We had no prospects and no momentum. And no interest.

We had 4 commits at that time under McCarney. Phillip Bates, Fabian Brown, Anthony Green, and Alex Sandvig. That is it. Brown and Sandvig were from Iowa. Bates from Omaha. And Green was from Texas. We ended up signing 25 recruits that year. And 11 of those recruits were Juco's.
 
Cycopath said:
Who do we go after if we can Rhoads?

Do you think we could even attract some winning coach to Ames?
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Multi-million dollar contracts have a way of attracting candidates. It may have to be an FBS assistant or a mid-major head coach, but there are good candidates out there who I'm sure would jump at the job. Don't know if Paul will survive or not but if a move has to be made imo we'd have a better shot at success with a good mid-major head coach.
 
There is nothing worse than "6-6 with a loss in a bowl game is a bad season" guy.

6-6 not making a bowl is not better than 6-7 going to a bowl. Stop trying to make a 6-7 bowl season sound like the end of the world.

Whether you win or lose a bowl game really doesn't matter whatsoever unless we are talking a bigtime bowl or something.
 
CYKOFAN said:
Multi-million dollar contracts have a way of attracting candidates. It may have to be an FBS assistant or a mid-major head coach, but there are good candidates out there who I'm sure would jump at the job. Don't know if Paul will survive or not but if a move has to be made imo we'd have a better shot at success with a good mid-major head coach.
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Do you mean candidates like Gene Chizik, for Turner Gill, or Charlie Weis?
 
Stormin said:
Do you mean candidates like Gene Chizik, for Turner Gill, or Charlie Weis?
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Exactly none of those names match the description CYKOFAN posted of "a good mid-major head coach."

Chizik was an assistant. Weis was a major school failure. Gill was a guy who got plucked out of the MAC after a 5-7 season to go to Kansas.

However, all three of those names do have something in common with Paul Rhoads. They all won a total of five games across their last two seasons in the Big 12.

The other three were fired*. Guess which one wasn't.

*Let me pretend we fired the Chiz; it makes me feel a little better about 07-08.
 
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RustShack said:
But that's irrelevant because there's no way that bad of luck can strike three years in a row.
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If this 'bad luck' is directed at the injuries being the reason for not winning 6 total games in two seasons, the other 'bad luck' of not having a lot of legit Div. 1 size and speed needs to be considered.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
There is nothing worse than "6-6 with a loss in a bowl game is a bad season" guy.

6-6 not making a bowl is not better than 6-7 going to a bowl. Stop trying to make a 6-7 bowl season sound like the end of the world.

Whether you win or lose a bowl game really doesn't matter whatsoever unless we are talking a bigtime bowl or something.
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This I agree with, yet, the 'miss' vs. Alabama still stings for some stupid reason. Probably just because it was a very 'Iowa State' moment.
 
Stormin said:
Are you going to keep going down that road again....and again....and again? Listen, we got beat by UNI in 2013. And we got beat by NDSU in 2014. NDSU is not just another FCS team and you know it. Give them credit. IMO, we should not lose to them. At the same time they are the reigning 4 consecutive FCS National Champions that have a 5 game winning streak of Power 5 Conference schools. They were much better than Iowa and several other P5 schools on our schedule.

UNI won't be an easy win. They are a very good FCS team. But we will win it this year.
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UNI beat NDSU.
 
madguy30 said:
If this 'bad luck' is directed at the injuries being the reason for not winning 6 total games in two seasons, the other 'bad luck' of not having a lot of legit Div. 1 size and speed needs to be considered.
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Considering we are stronger, faster, and taller than we were before CPR, I think we will be ok. Our roster defiantly looks more like a D1 roster top to bottom now than it did before.
 
CYKOFAN said:
More along the lines of Earl Bruce. He actually was a mid-major head coach at Tampa before coming to ISU.
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A lot of mid-major coaches are going to hold out for a better gig than Iowa State. We pay the lowest salary in the Big 12. We are known as a coaching graveyard. If you are a mid-major coach you won't take the Iowa State job. You will wait for a better opportunity. Look at who Kansas got to choose from. Think more along those lines.
 
Stormin said:
A lot of mid-major coaches are going to hold out for a better gig than Iowa State. We pay the lowest salary in the Big 12. We are known as a coaching graveyard. If you are a mid-major coach you won't take the Iowa State job. You will wait for a better opportunity. Look at who Kansas got to choose from. Think more along those lines.
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There are more than a few good mid-major coaches and not that many BCS head coaching jobs that open up every year. I thought it was pretty much known that if we had waited a couple more days we could have had Brian Kelly, who was about as good as it got for a mid-major head coach at that time. I'm confident there are good mid-majors who would jump at the ISU job and probably at least 7 plus million for a 5 year deal. Also a sharp a.d. that really knows football can find a diamond in the rough perhaps flying under the radar.
 
CYKOFAN said:
There are more than a few good mid-major coaches and not that many BCS head coaching jobs that open up every year. I thought it was pretty much known that if we had waited a couple more days we could have had Brian Kelly, who was about as good as it got for a mid-major head coach at that time. I'm confident there are good mid-majors who would jump at the ISU job and probably at least 7 plus million for a 5 year deal. Also a sharp a.d. that really knows football can find a diamond in the rough perhaps flying under the radar.
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It was different back in 2006. DMac had been fairly successful in prior years. We had some good candidates for the Head Coaching job. In 2009, the list of candidates was not as good. Gene Chizik's failure changed the whole perception of the Iowa State job.

Look at the list of candidates that wanted the Kansas job. David Beaty was hired.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article16392773.html
 
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