If we had the old big 12

cloneluke80

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+ TCU then we would have 8 of 12 teams ranked right now in the top 25

thats crazy

5.Baylor
9.TCU
11.Oklahoma
14.Texas A&M
16.Oklahoma St.
17.Kansas St.
21.Nebraska
23.Missouri

such a beautiful conf torn apart by the greed of one terrible texas.
 
+ TCU then we would have 8 of 12 teams ranked right now in the top 25

thats crazy

5.Baylor
9.TCU
11.Oklahoma
14.Texas A&M
16.Oklahoma St.
17.Kansas St.
21.Nebraska
23.Missouri

such a beautiful conf torn apart by the greed of one terrible texas.

You could have also put the back stabbing double agent Fuskers as well.
 
Nebraska and Texas A&M are not inculpable of greed here. In the early days of the league, they consistently voted with Texas in keeping themselves at advantage over schools like ISU.
 
Nebraska and Texas A&M are not inculpable of greed here. In the early days of the league, they consistently voted with Texas in keeping themselves at advantage over schools like ISU.

Exactly. We should never forget that Nebraska is the biggest pile of hypocrit crap around. They voted to screw over schools like ISU when the conference started, then whined and cried when they could not compete with UT.

It is nice watching them recede further and further from national relevance in the B1G.
 
Nebraska and Texas A&M are not inculpable of greed here. In the early days of the league, they consistently voted with Texas in keeping themselves at advantage over schools like ISU.

Exactly. Nebraska didn't want "profit sharing" then left for the B1G and indicated that going to a conference for "profit sharing" was a big reason why.
 
such a beautiful conf torn apart by the greed of one terrible texas.

This is completely incorrect. Missouri is actually the team who tore apart the conference. They openly campaigned for the B1G spot when the B1G started looking at expansion. That started the ball rolling which got NU to look into it and left. CU left shortly after that, however they generally wanted the PAC even back to the days of the Big 8.

Furthermore as others stated, the greed of Texas, A&M, NU, and OU of keeping the profits at the better schools helped tear apart the conference. NU got beat at their own game by UT.
 
I miss road trips to Boulder, Columbia, and Lincoln


Exactly. It's fun going to Lawrence and Manhattan, but would be fun going other places as well without having to almost spend 2 nights anywhere else.
 
Exactly. It's fun going to Lawrence and Manhattan, but would be fun going other places as well without having to almost spend 2 nights anywhere else.

I've never gotten to go to a road game (besides Arrowhead). I'd love to have been able to make some of those easier trips. I'll have to do K-State or KU soon.
 
I miss road trips to Boulder, Columbia, and Lincoln

Agreed. Those are fun college towns, or so I've heard about Columbia. I've only been to Boulder and Lincoln but enjoyed both tremendously.

I miss the Old Big XII and even older Big 8! Such a great conference. Nostalgic Tuesday.
 
Before the Big 12 split my away game crew the "Rhoadhouse" was able to hit up Boulder, Columbia, and College Station. They were all fun college towns and unique.
 
This is completely incorrect. Missouri is actually the team who tore apart the conference. They openly campaigned for the B1G spot when the B1G started looking at expansion. That started the ball rolling which got NU to look into it and left. CU left shortly after that, however they generally wanted the PAC even back to the days of the Big 8.

Furthermore as others stated, the greed of Texas, A&M, NU, and OU of keeping the profits at the better schools helped tear apart the conference. NU got beat at their own game by UT.

Got to go with Missouri also. Knucklehead Missouri governor Nixon started trashing conference partners Tech and Ok State and lobbied for B1G expansion with MU. Did the MU administration call out Nixon on this? Nope. Did the MU administration say or do anything to stop the call to arms? Nope. Students jumped on board and the revolution started.
 
+ TCU then we would have 8 of 12 teams ranked right now in the top 25

thats crazy

5.Baylor
9.TCU
11.Oklahoma
14.Texas A&M
16.Oklahoma St.
17.Kansas St.
21.Nebraska
23.Missouri

such a beautiful conf torn apart by the greed of one terrible texas.

The Big 8 was better

OU, OSU, KSU, UNL, Mizzou all ranked

5/8 = 62.% of the conference ranked

Yeah, guess we "really needed the Texas schools" for money after all...

Sure, KU and ISU suck, and Colorado isn't any good right now either, but that's doing really well in my book, with five nationally competitive teams and three tomato cans

That's at least as good as the good/bad ratio in the SEC and way better than the B10 (which is, after all, 0:14 or so)
 
Missouri is actually the team who tore apart the conference. They openly campaigned for the B1G spot when the B1G started looking at expansion.

This. And indirectly fueled the domino effect of realignment insanity.

I don't think it was the intention if Missouri to wreck the big 12 or cause multi-conference chaos, but without the push for big ten inclusion, we may not have seen so much of a mad shuffle. Maybe it was going to happen anyway, and someone had to start the chain.

Details after-the-fact could have varied, of course.
 
Got to go with Missouri also. Knucklehead Missouri governor Nixon started trashing conference partners Tech and Ok State and lobbied for B1G expansion with MU. Did the MU administration call out Nixon on this? Nope. Did the MU administration say or do anything to stop the call to arms? Nope. Students jumped on board and the revolution started.

That was the catalyst but was it the root cause of the instability? I think an argument can be made that a house built on an uneven foundation was going to fall as soon as the conditions were right. Nixon started the conditions.
 
That was the catalyst but was it the root cause of the instability? I think an argument can be made that a house built on an uneven foundation was going to fall as soon as the conditions were right. Nixon started the conditions.

The root cause was when the B1G announced expansion and Notre Dame rejected them. CU to the PAC and MU to the B1G were looooong open rumors back to the Big 8 days. There was no instability then. Both were more prestigious conferences at the time and Big 8 was a smaller one. CU had the better cultural fit, too.

So when B1G got rejected, MU was completely obnoxious about them leaving for the B1G, which created the instability. MU "leaving" and CU leaving then started NU to start looking around and got poached. The following year, MU left (while chairing the Big 12 expansion committee), left for the SEC due to "instability," which was created by them and continued with them leaving.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disputing uneven foundation had a hand in it, since it did, however it's hardly the root cause. Yes, unequal revenue for UT, A&M, NU, and OU stunk, however it was slanted in the Big 8 days as well. However, CU and MU leaving wasn't caused by Texas. NU and A&M leaving may have been caused by Texas, however they got beat at their own game and they left after the MU to B1G debacle.

Honestly, a good "what-if" scenario would be what would happen if ND accepted the B1G invite. Would the other conferences have expanded? I bet we'd still have NU and MU if ND went to the B1G. (I think we still would have lost A&M and CU at a later date.)
 
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