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ISUCubswin said:
If Bubu wins this case, Leath's going to look like an even bigger ******* than he did after kicking Bubu off before he was found guilty of anything.
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It's common practice to suspend an athlete when they are facing charges. Bubu was suspended but not officially kicked off the team. When the legal charges were dropped, Bubu was reinstated without fanfare. I don't think President Leath was involved at that point; it was likely handled by the AD & head coach. In fact, Leath likely wasn't involved on an active level until last June when the accuser appealed the decision of the administrative judge to the President for review.

FWIW, I completely agree with the policy of a temporary suspension if charges have been filed. If President Leath WAS a part of that, it's probably the only action he has taken regarding Bubu with which I HAVE been in agreement.
 
What? Bubu was forced back on the team by a district court judge. I sure as hell bet Leath knew what was going on and had a say.
 
I perused the ISU student code. Being kicked off a team is not a sanction. There is a sanction of long-term limitation on activity. However, the code also states that "Any sanction imposed as a result of a hearing with a lower board will remain in effect during the process of appeal."

IDK but seems to mean if the "lower board" did not sanction him that during the appeal, he should have been allowed to remain and play on the team, but I am not a lawyer.
 
CyCrazy said:
What? Bubu was forced back on the team by a district court judge. I sure as hell bet Leath knew what was going on and had a say.
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You're forgetting the first half of the story, Crazy.

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I went back & reread Cubs win's comments...I read it to mean the original charges being dropped and Bubu not being found guilty of anything. Did you read it to mean the appeal process that culminated with President Leath overturning the ruling by the administrative judge?

If so, we're talking about two different phases.
 
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jmb said:
If you don't understand the idea of respecting when someone says "no" it is a difficult task.
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How do you know she said no. In the petition it says the woman called Bubu the morning after with the police listening and told him she didn't remember anything about what happened. If she's telling the truth, she didn't even know if she said no, and that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call (by the way per the petition BuBu made it clear she did know what she was doing and consented, again something that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call). But just who's responsible for her drinking herself into a state where she says she doesn't remember anything? She was at the bar drinking and unless somebody was forcing alcohol down her throat or dropped drugs in her drink, isn't she the one responsible for drinking herself into a stupor (if that's what happened?). I mean somebody who gets drunk and drives has to take responsibility for getting drunk, even if he doesn't remember what happened after he got drunk. I just don't think the defense that "I was drunk and don't remember so nothing was my fault" shows any responsibility. Anybody could say that after they drink too much and often do.
 
CYKOFAN said:
How do you know she said no. In the petition it says the woman called Bubu the morning after with the police listening and told him she didn't remember anything about what happened. If she's telling the truth, she didn't even know if she said no, and that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call (by the way per the petition BuBu made it clear she did know what she was doing and consented, again something that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call). But just who's responsible for her drinking herself into a state where she says she doesn't remember anything? She was at the bar drinking and unless somebody was forcing alcohol down her throat or dropped drugs in her drink, isn't she the one responsible for drinking herself into a stupor (if that's what happened?). I mean somebody who gets drunk and drives has to take responsibility for getting drunk, even if he doesn't remember what happened after he got drunk. I just don't think the defense that "I was drunk and don't remember so nothing was my fault" shows any responsibility. Anybody could say that after they drink too much and often do.
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What the hell is your argument here? That it's okay to have sex with someone that doesn't have the cognitive capability to say "no"?
 
CYKOFAN said:
How do you know she said no. In the petition it says the woman called Bubu the morning after with the police listening and told him she didn't remember anything about what happened. If she's telling the truth, she didn't even know if she said no, and that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call (by the way per the petition BuBu made it clear she did know what she was doing and consented, again something that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call). But just who's responsible for her drinking herself into a state where she says she doesn't remember anything? She was at the bar drinking and unless somebody was forcing alcohol down her throat or dropped drugs in her drink, isn't she the one responsible for drinking herself into a stupor (if that's what happened?). I mean somebody who gets drunk and drives has to take responsibility for getting drunk, even if he doesn't remember what happened after he got drunk. I just don't think the defense that "I was drunk and don't remember so nothing was my fault" shows any responsibility. Anybody could say that after they drink too much and often do.
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right. we should all be allowed to do anything we want to drunk people because its their fault their drunk.
 
CYKOFAN said:
How do you know she said no. In the petition it says the woman called Bubu the morning after with the police listening and told him she didn't remember anything about what happened. If she's telling the truth, she didn't even know if she said no, and that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call (by the way per the petition BuBu made it clear she did know what she was doing and consented, again something that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call). But just who's responsible for her drinking herself into a state where she says she doesn't remember anything? She was at the bar drinking and unless somebody was forcing alcohol down her throat or dropped drugs in her drink, isn't she the one responsible for drinking herself into a stupor (if that's what happened?). I mean somebody who gets drunk and drives has to take responsibility for getting drunk, even if he doesn't remember what happened after he got drunk. I just don't think the defense that "I was drunk and don't remember so nothing was my fault" shows any responsibility. Anybody could say that after they drink too much and often do.
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Often? You are again showing your colors.
 
CYKOFAN said:
How do you know she said no. In the petition it says the woman called Bubu the morning after with the police listening and told him she didn't remember anything about what happened. If she's telling the truth, she didn't even know if she said no, and that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call (by the way per the petition BuBu made it clear she did know what she was doing and consented, again something that should be easy to prove from the police recording of the call). But just who's responsible for her drinking herself into a state where she says she doesn't remember anything? She was at the bar drinking and unless somebody was forcing alcohol down her throat or dropped drugs in her drink, isn't she the one responsible for drinking herself into a stupor (if that's what happened?). I mean somebody who gets drunk and drives has to take responsibility for getting drunk, even if he doesn't remember what happened after he got drunk. I just don't think the defense that "I was drunk and don't remember so nothing was my fault" shows any responsibility. Anybody could say that after they drink too much and often do.
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This should be good.
 
cloneswereall said:
Not terribly difficult. I'd argue that point should occur when judgment/faculties are impaired enough to land you in jail. There are already laws on the books about that, so .08 works.
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From a criminal perspective the level of intoxication when an adult no longer has the ability to consent is "incapacitated." Admittedly, even from someone who does this every day that is a moving target. However, most people will look at it as passed out or drunk to the point they cannot speak coherently.
 
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I think everyone can agree taking advantage of someone who is too impaired to make decisions is absolutely morally wrong, the question is where do you draw that line, would that be viewed the same if genders were reversed, and where does prior consent come in to play?

And what if both parties are drunk? What if one is drunk and one is high?

All of those specifics as they pertain too Bubu's case are way too muddy for me to make any actual claims or guesses, but the discussion in general interests me.
 
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I really wish this thread would die, but at the same time I have to keep checking in on this trainwreck.
 
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