How far has Lance Armstrong fallen?
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Not surprising, he never denied taking PED's, just said he's never tested positive, there's a big difference.
There's a pretty crazy stat though that out of the last like 20 tour de france winners, 17 have been vacated due to doping. That's not the exact stat, I just remember one of my cyclists friends telling me that a while back.
He's got further yet to fall. I predict Trek/Bontrager will disown him soon too.
My big question about lance is what is he going to do with himself now? He seems too driven to just fade into the shadows. He seems to like the spotlight.
My big question about lance is what is he going to do with himself now? He seems too driven to just fade into the shadows. He seems to like the spotlight.
I'm guessing he will still get some funds from Nike, Trek, etc. Nike specifically said they will still sponser LAF. LAF will still probably sponsor a cycling team as part of their cancer awareness spending. The cycling team will likely pay him for consulting. Pretty easy for the corporate folks to wash their hands of him but still take care of him. Livestrong is a huge seller for Nike so Nike will still want to keep that going. Until LAF says specifically that no funds or $XXX funds were paid to Lance you can assume he is still getting a cut.
I'm only aware of 9: Armstrong (7), Contador, Landis.
Now several others have been kicked out of a Tour while it was going on so didn't win it and still others who placed high (pun intended) had their high finishes stripped after the fact (Ulrich 3rd place, 2005, for example). A few were kicked out while wearing yellow like Michael Rasmussen in 2007. (He didn't test positive but was caught lying about his whereabouts earlier in the year and it was thought he was seeing a known "dope doctor". His team actually withdrew him from the race before he was banned.)
The cycling team will get in a lot of trouble hiring, in any capacity, an individual who is banned by UCI if I remember correctly.
I didn't say that and I don't think that. He said that he heard "17 of the last 20 Tour wins have been vacated due to doping". I believe the Tour organizers confirmed Riis' win but put an asterisk on it. They didn't vacate it but rather let him keep it. He, by the way, doesn't consider himself the Tour winner. Pantani's win was never vacated as far as I know even though he clearly was a drug user, not just performance enhancing drugs either.
Maybe not 17 of the last 20, but I believe now the entire top 10 from '99 have been implicated.
Great; good to know. But that still has nothing to do with my post. He was talking about Tour victories vacated. I gave him the best information I had on the matter. You have different information about other riders who didn't finish first or didn't have their victory vacated. That is good information, too.
Here is some other good information. The Tour organizers are saying that all 7 of Lance's vacated wins will officially have no winner.
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He's a scumbag who did some good things away from the sport. The things that he supposedly stood for, perseverance, hard work, strength have been tainted. Add in the fact that the reports have him not only being a willing participant, but being a ringleader, and insisting that other team members dope as well, and he's even more of a scumbag. Scumbags can do good things, but they're still scumbags.
I hadn't heard that, but it only makes sense.
Now, I wish USADA could go after the NFL, MLB and PGA.
Especially when the good things they do are still largely in their own self-interest.
I don't know I mean Sheryl Crow was hot, but Anna Hansen isn't bad.
(Wait do people actually care about cycling - I mean I had a moderate interest back when some American was destroying everyone else, but now that that's over...meh.)
(Wait do people actually care about cycling - I mean I had a moderate interest back when some American was destroying everyone else, but now that that's over...meh.)
Of course they are waiting for the final word from UCI.
Tour de France would vacate 1999-2005 titles if UCI strips Lance Armstrong of titles - ESPN
He'll come to Iowa every year for RAGBRAI and people will fall all over themselves to get a picture of him.
Lance Armstrong and Livestrong | Lance Armstrong | OutsideOnline.com
"Equally interesting is what the foundation doesn’t do. Most people—including nearly everybody I surveyed while reporting this story—assume that Livestrong funnels large amounts of money into cancer research. Nope. The foundation gave out a total of $20 million in research grants between 1998 and 2005, the year it began phasing out its support of hard science. A note on the foundation’s website informs visitors that, as of 2010, it no longer even accepts research proposals"
"Equally interesting is what the foundation doesn’t do. Most people—including nearly everybody I surveyed while reporting this story—assume that Livestrong funnels large amounts of money into cancer research. Nope. The foundation gave out a total of $20 million in research grants between 1998 and 2005, the year it began phasing out its support of hard science. A note on the foundation’s website informs visitors that, as of 2010, it no longer even accepts research proposals"