Lucca - What Now?

Kyle

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As you've probably noticed, Lucca got screwed by the NCAA. Here's the link to their press release:
NCAA - NCAA Reinstates Iowa State Basketball Student-Athlete

Here's the link to the original thread. Go here to complain or discuss what a complete load of BS this ruling is:
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...-s-iowa-state-basketball-student-athlete.html

I'm hoping this thread can be dedicated to what we can do going forward. We've already shown our potential to get things done by producing an excellent website and through countless emails and contacts with media personalities.

I am still of the opinion that this needs to become a bigger story nationally. Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, media attention has been relatively lacking thus far. I can currently think of three things that could attract a lot more attention:

1. A wider impact of this decision. If we can show that this decision will impact a lot of players or a few big name players this could blow up. To do so we need examples of other players in the NCAA who played on a team with other players who were paid by that team. The only current player I know of that easily appears to fit this definition is Balby (sp?) of Texas.

2. Larger scale protest-type actions. (e.g. We go picket the NCAA, perhaps burn Miles Brand in effigy...)

3. A lawsuit.

I've been racking my brain for potential causes of action for a lawsuit and have come up with a few potential longshots. One would be to sue under Title VII for discrimination in employment or education based on national origin. It might be a stretch to put playing college basketball under employment or education, but I don't think the argument is ridiculous. At a minimum it would have to be shown that the NCAA's rules regarding amateur status have a disparate impact upon international players. Facts and numbers would be important.

Lucca could also potentially sue the NCAA based on statements made by them and which he relied on in coming here to play (an estoppel argument).
Estoppel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He could potentially argue that the NCAA is estopped from not allowing him to play based on those statements.
He could also to try to recover any monies he could have made had he played for pay earlier in his career based on the theory that he detrimentally relied on the NCAA's statements when he chose not to do so. I get the feeling this argument would be the most compelling if he left and went back to Europe to play pro though... :no:
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Since it is not our place to file a lawsuit, our actions are probably limited to 1 and 2. The biggest need appears to be credible, well-researched information regarding the impact this decision should have on other players. We can then use this information to make our case, especially to the media. Without that kind of information we cannot demonstrate any inconsistency or grave consequences, we can only argue the inherent stupidity of the rule.

The best type of information we could get would be of the following kind:
1. Player X is or will be playing on an NCAA team.
2. Player X played on a team where other players on the team were paid by that team.

Number two distinguishes this from cases like the capital city league (where some professionals are paid by other teams) and Oklahoma football (where some players are paid by outside sources).
 
I think the only way this story is going to get national attention is if ISU ignores the ruling and plays Lucca anyway. Personally, I would love to see ISU make such a bold statement, but I have my doubts that JP and GM have the moxy to do it.
 
I think the only way this story is going to get national attention is if ISU ignores the ruling and plays Lucca anyway. Personally, I would love to see ISU make such a bold statement, but I have my doubts that JP and GM have the moxy to do it.

I agree that it would get a lot of attention, but the reason it would get the attention is because it would destroy our program. If they did something like that, the media attention would turn into something like, "sure the ruling was dumb, but ignoring it and as a result getting penalized schollys, fines, etc just to prove a point is even dumberer."
 
I think the only way this story is going to get national attention is if ISU ignores the ruling and plays Lucca anyway. Personally, I would love to see ISU make such a bold statement, but I have my doubts that JP and GM have the stupidity to do it.

There ya go:wink:
 
Kyle, I am planning on posting the NCAA announcement and ISU press release on FreeLucca.com today. Do you want to compile a brief commentary like we did for the last NCAA statement?
 
Kyle, I am planning on posting the NCAA announcement and ISU press release on FreeLucca.com today. Do you want to compile a brief commentary like we did for the last NCAA statement?
I'll see what I can do. How are you planning to incorporate it into the site?
 
I have been busy this morning and someone might have posted this, but the staff decision to me was not unexpected, it took way too long, and now we do the planned appeal to the outside committee and see what they say. Hopefully they will not take 3-4 weeks to decide.

I read more than a little staff irratation in the announcement that they have to deal with this.
 
How long since a major figure in the US has been burned or hanged in effigy? One would think that would attract media attention.

I dunno, but I do know that the last time we held a riot in Ames we made the morning headlines on CNN and Fox... we could combine the two activities :wub:
 
I agree that it would get a lot of attention, but the reason it would get the attention is because it would destroy our program. If they did something like that, the media attention would turn into something like, "sure the ruling was dumb, but ignoring it and as a result getting penalized schollys, fines, etc just to prove a point is even dumberer."


I would take my chances. We have a full compliment of schollies this year, and look what it has gotten us. :sad: IMO, thirteen scholarships is more than you need anyway. It creates situations where players (like Brister) are unhappy with their lack of playing time. Nearly all of the kids today want to start playing right away. We'd be better off with 10 scholarship players and a few solid walkons (like UNI's Josten).

Going back to my original idea. Everything has a cost and a benefit. In this case, I think the benefits would outweigh the costs. First, the national attention we would receive would force the NCAA to change this silly rule. To suspend Lucca and players like him who did not receive benefits for the same amount of time as players who did receive benefits is unfair and disproportional. Second, Lucca did nothing wrong and should not be punished. By playing him in defiance of this stupid NCAA ruling, ISU would be showing that it cares about its players... more than it cares about a corrupt organization. I believe the national attention would put a positive spotlight on ISU - not a negative one. That can only help with our future recruiting, etc. Any penalties received for doing the right thing can be overcome. It doesn't look like we're going anywhere this year anyway. We have little to lose.
 
Funny part though... is that the NCAA knew about the OU incident at least a year in advance. When the thing occurred... somebody posted a link to a post from over a year prior. And in that post the guy stated that (from his sources) he wouldn't be surprised if Bomar gets kicked off the team because the NCAA got some info about him getting illegally compensated. But of course nothing comes of it until more than a year later after they got to play. The NCAA likes to pick and choose who they make examples of.
 
I am still of the opinion that this needs to become a bigger story nationally. Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, media attention has been relatively lacking thus far. I can currently think of three things that could attract a lot more attention:

1. A wider impact of this decision. If we can show that this decision will impact a lot of players or a few big name players this could blow up. To do so we need examples of other players in the NCAA who played on a team with other players who were paid by that team. The only current player I know of that easily appears to fit this definition is Balby (sp?) of Texas.

This link may be a good place to start when investigating who played for his former team and when.

Also should be a jumping off point to get to all current and former Euro players.

EUROBASKET - Erdgas Ehingen/Urspringschule basketball - team details, stats, news, roster
 
1. A wider impact of this decision. If we can show that this decision will impact a lot of players or a few big name players this could blow up. To do so we need examples of other players in the NCAA who played on a team with other players who were paid by that team. The only current player I know of that easily appears to fit this definition is Balby (sp?) of Texas.


The best type of information we could get would be of the following kind:
1. Player X is or will be playing on an NCAA team.
2. Player X played on a team where other players on the team were paid by that team.

Number two distinguishes this from cases like the capital city league (where some professionals are paid by other teams) and Oklahoma football (where some players are paid by outside sources).

Other documented foreign players that haven't been suspended such as Dogus Balbay at Texas... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do%C4%9Fu%C5%9F_Balbay

States he played for the most successful Turkish club Fenerbahçe Istanbul... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenerbah%C3%A7e_%C3%9Clkerspor

With current players such as...Will Solomon from the United States... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Solomon

Who's profile lists him as an American "Professional" basketball player.

After this, he returned to Istanbul and joined Fenerbahçe Ülkerspor, that enjoyed a High budget and a Euroleague spot after the Ülker corporation decided to close their own team and move their entire support of funds and players to Fenerbahçe's basketball team.
 

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