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NobodyBeatsCy said:
@AJaClay That Pitt game should be a good one! All the others will be cake! I mean we are the only university in the state!

Finding it hard to wish him a long healthy career in the NFL....:rolleyes:
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think its funny and wish more ISU and Iowa alums would openly talk trash about the other before and up to this game.
 
Clone5 said:
Clayborn led the nation in the accumulation of fat juice on the sides of his mouth during each game.
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You know, i used to think the same thing, but then i saw him on some btn commercial and it looks like the sides of his mouth are a lighter skin tone. Kinda like vitiligo or whatever that disease is..
 
clonedude said:
Do you understand football at all? ISU had to abandon the running game by the 2nd quarter of this beat down.

As an OL, you don't dominate someone when you're pass protecting all day. It's your job to keep the DE off your QB at that point. And KO did that all day long when Iowa's defense knew we had to pass on every play.

Can any of you Hawk fans just admit the fact that Clayborn had a bad year last year? Iowa fans were even dogging him by the end of the year. He had a HUGE dropoff season. But of course you wouldn't even admit that about the almighty Adrian Clayborn. Whatever.
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Pretty sure an NFL scout understands football. Like the one who watched them all day and felt that Clayborn dominated.
 
Gonzo said:
Not sure what you were reading, but here's what he said regarding Clayborn against KO on passing plays...

"In this game he routinely beat Osemele when he knew a pass was coming. He got plenty of opportunity for that, as Iowa got off to a 3-score lead very early on. Clayborn beat Osemele over and over again in a variety of ways: inside moves, speed around the edge, bull rushing, or throwing him to the side: Clayborn did it all. And all that while routinely being double-teamed. This was about as good a game a defensive end can play without notching a sack. This game was a prime example of why relying on individual sack numbers to evaluate players is not a good idea."

If you think the guys on a Cyclone message board are better at evaluating talent, so be it.
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Your so-called "scout" is lead editor of Bucs Nation living in the Netherlands...who went back and watched film of their first round draft pick. That's like taking Paul Clark's or Jon Miller's opinion on a recent commit's film. What the heck do you think that they're going to say? The guy sucks?

I remember the 2010 game...and thinking that it was more of a draw between the two than anything. Still, 3 tackles, zero sacks. If that's a dominating game, I'd hate to see what they'd label Lattimer's game vs Texas. I've always said that Clayborn could be a pretty good 3-4 DE. TB doesn't run a 3-4, so I think that he'll be a bust until he finds a new team. But hey, maybe I'm not a better evaluator of talent than some guy in the Netherlands writing for Bucs Nation.
 
Iowa State had 28 plays in the first half, not counting punts. Clayborn didn't play in the second half very much, if at all. Really hard to accumulate tackles with that few plays, quick passes, etc.
 
Frak said:
Your so-called "scout" is lead editor of Bucs Nation living in the Netherlands...who went back and watched film of their first round draft pick. That's like taking Paul Clark's or Jon Miller's opinion on a recent commit's film. What the heck do you think that they're going to say? The guy sucks?

I remember the 2010 game...and thinking that it was more of a draw between the two than anything. Still, 3 tackles, zero sacks. If that's a dominating game, I'd hate to see what they'd label Lattimer's game vs Texas. I've always said that Clayborn could be a pretty good 3-4 DE. TB doesn't run a 3-4, so I think that he'll be a bust until he finds a new team. But hey, maybe I'm not a better evaluator of talent than some guy in the Netherlands writing for Bucs Nation.
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Well obviously you are. This is CycloneFanatic. Why wouldn't you expect to get an objective read on a player wearing black and gold. Silly.
 
Gonzo said:
Well obviously you are. This is CycloneFanatic. Why wouldn't you expect to get an objective read on a player wearing black and gold. Silly.
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Well, our credentials can't be much different I guess. Neither one of us is an NFL scout (unlike what you've been claiming this entire thread). I could probably claim to see more CFB games in person that Mr. Sander in The Netherlands.

Just another case of some talking head on the internet and a fan taking his words like God spoke them himself.
 
Isn't it a little sad to be trying to down play AC at this point. He was a first round draft pick. Clearly he made plays regardless if it was against ISU in 2009 or 2010. Those of you saying he was dominated last year need to go back and look at the tape. BTW, in 2009 ISU ran all over Iowa and only managed a whopping 3 points in a 35-3 loss (Big thanks to CPR and Austen playing catch for that one).

An example, Jamaal Tinsley was a far superior player to Dean Oliver but Tinsley's senior year Deano played like a 1st team All-American against ISU, clearly outplayed Tinsley and Iowa won by about 12 points. That doesn't mean he was a better player than Tinsley. Tinsley ended up being a first round pick. It didn't really matter who won the head-to-head, any rational person knows that Tinsley was the all around better player and more of a pro.

KO may very well be a first round pick as well. That doesn't mean AC didn't deserve to be.
 
hawkeye_t said:
Isn't it a little sad to be trying to down play AC at this point. He was a first round draft pick. Clearly he made plays regardless if it was against ISU in 2009 or 2010. Those of you saying he was dominated last year need to go back and look at the tape. BTW, in 2009 ISU ran all over Iowa and only managed a whopping 3 points in a 35-3 loss (Big thanks to CPR and Austen playing catch for that one).

An example, Jamaal Tinsley was a far superior player to Dean Oliver but Tinsley's senior year Deano played like a 1st team All-American against ISU, clearly outplayed Tinsley and Iowa won by about 12 points. That doesn't mean he was a better player than Tinsley. Tinsley ended up being a first round pick. It didn't really matter who won the head-to-head, any rational person knows that Tinsley was the all around better player and more of a pro.

KO may very well be a first round pick as well. That doesn't mean AC didn't deserve to be.
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Solid post. Kind of reminds me of a Vernon Gholston/Joe Thomas comparison.
 
Why would any Cyclone fan follow a former Hawk on Twitter? I don't even use twitter but I could care less what Clayborn or anyone for that matter wants to say. When the Hawks go 7-5 and get upset a couple times this year that will be all the entertainment I'll need.
 
clonedude said:
Do you understand football at all? ISU had to abandon the running game by the 2nd quarter of this beat down.

As an OL, you don't dominate someone when you're pass protecting all day. It's your job to keep the DE off your QB at that point. And KO did that all day long when Iowa's defense knew we had to pass on every play.

Can any of you Hawk fans just admit the fact that Clayborn had a bad year last year? Iowa fans were even dogging him by the end of the year. He had a HUGE dropoff season. But of course you wouldn't even admit that about the almighty Adrian Clayborn. Whatever.
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Do you? If they had to abandon the running game by the 2nd quarter, obviously he wasn't dominating anyone early. Yeah it's easier to rush the passer when you know they are going to pass, but it's also easier to block. You can chip the DEs, double team them, and also you are in a different stance (most of the time) on obvious passing downs. Easier to get the hip open and cover the edge.

No one said he didn't have a bad year last year, but it wasn't that bad. If it were, he wouldn't have been picked in the 1st round. A HUGE dropoff season would have been enough to push him into later rounds. But of course you, the almighty expert of football, would understand that.
 
CYdTracked said:
Why would any Cyclone fan follow a former Hawk on Twitter? I don't even use twitter but I could care less what Clayborn or anyone for that matter wants to say. When the Hawks go 7-5 and get upset a couple times this year that will be all the entertainment I'll need.
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So you do care a little then, huh?

:jimlad:
 
Frak said:
Well, our credentials can't be much different I guess. Neither one of us is an NFL scout (unlike what you've been claiming this entire thread). I could probably claim to see more CFB games in person that Mr. Sander in The Netherlands.

Just another case of some talking head on the internet and a fan taking his words like God spoke them himself.
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So you sat down and watched every play when these two hooked up? Not sure what you're trying to say, that since he lives in the Netherlands he's not able to examine the game film more closely than you? If you sat down and watched it that closely just say so. I'm guessing you didn't, since at one point in this thread you implied that Clayborn would get beat both times if they faced off in the NFC South based on their two games against each other, but then in a later post claim that you've said all along it was a 'tie'.

Nice.
 
Gonzo said:
So you sat down and watched every play when these two hooked up? Not sure what you're trying to say, that since he lives in the Netherlands he's not able to examine the game film more closely than you? If you sat down and watched it that closely just say so. I'm guessing you didn't, since at one point in this thread you implied that Clayborn would get beat both times if they faced off in the NFC South based on their two games against each other, but then in a later post claim that you've said all along it was a 'tie'.

Nice.
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Well, I watched the GAMES. Isn't that good enough? And I watched that matchup in particular...especially since there wasn't a lot worth watching on the ISU end of things. 2009, KO dominated. 2010, I thought it was a tie. Clayborn getting dominated in the NFC South was hyperbole...in the same vein as Clayborn's twitter comments. Heck, they wouldn't even line up against each other most likely because KO is a guard in the pros. I'm not saying Clayborn sucks...there's no shame in playing KO to a tie as he's an early 2nd round pick at worst next spring.

I'm not the one claiming that the Bucs guy was an NFL scout and taking his word as gospel. He says that Clayborn dominated that game and I question the source since it is his job to play up his team's draft choice. Maybe you are taking things a little too seriously?
 
Gonzo said:
Tell yourself whatever you need to if it makes you feel better. Makes no difference to me. Like I said, everyone seems to agree that KO got the better of him in 2009. But to close your eyes, hold your breath, and stomp your feet refusing to believe the objective review of a neutral NFL scout who was there and zeroing in on that matchup all day just seems kind of silly. But, whatever. Clayborn's making millions in the NFL, so clearly the joke is on him.
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BTW- YOUR NFL SCOUT THAT WROTE THE STORY...is the lead editor for Bucs Nation and lives in the Netherlands. He isn't an NFL Scout. He also wrote that story JULY 11, 2011. In other words after clayborn became a Buc. So yeah, no bias whatsoever.

Even if the guy was a Scout, NFL scouts are never wrong....signed scouts for the Raiders, Bills, Bengals, Browns, 49ers, Detroit,etc.

Fact is that guy stated that Clayborn owned KO but then he also stated Clayborn had his success when stunting. Well Clayborn didn't face KO when he stunted and anybody that actually watched the game saw that clayborn had hgis most success when he stunted and faced Alvarez. Klug had his most success when he stunted and faced KO. KO and Alvarez did not handle stunts well. That "scout" also stated that Clayborn was repeatedly double teamed. I rewatched the game and that guy is clueless. The only time clayborn was ever touched by two players was when he was stunting and he was released.

And I will say it again...Clayborn was either in horrible, horrible shape last year or he will not earn his worth in the NFL. His stamina is horrible and he will have to play a minimum of 4 more games against better competition.
 
Gonzo said:
So you sat down and watched every play when these two hooked up? Not sure what you're trying to say, that since he lives in the Netherlands he's not able to examine the game film more closely than you? If you sat down and watched it that closely just say so. I'm guessing you didn't, since at one point in this thread you implied that Clayborn would get beat both times if they faced off in the NFC South based on their two games against each other, but then in a later post claim that you've said all along it was a 'tie'.

Nice.
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I did. I have watched that game over and over and over. clayborn only got pressure when he stunted. That was it.


The guy is a freaking editor of a website. That is it. You came on and claimed he was an NFL scout. He isn't. He never has been and never will be. He is jon miller for the Tampa Bay Bucs. That is it. It isn't our fault that you are to lazy or ignorant to research the guy you are claiming is an NFL scout. My opinion on clayborn is just as biased as the editor of Buc Nation.
 
If Clayborn is as fat-*** as he was last year, he'll never run into KO in the NFL.
 
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