Do you want McDermott fired?

[StLouisClone]

Winning and avoiding the wrath of the NCAA are the only things that matter in my opinion. GMac has already failed at winning. I'm worried that all of these defections will hurt the program's APR and cause us to lose scholarships. So GMac may end up being a complete failure for ISU MBB.

 

[clonecard]

A big part of the reason Mac is not gone is the contract extension he was given which upped the buyout. JP did it with GC and Mac & in both instances based on lousy results. This poll is ridiculous.....results dont spin or lie = fired.

 

[cyclonenum1]

Alright, let's break it down a little


1) We are 18-50 in conference. Yes, that is a 26.5% winning pct. Besides Colorado being 14-55 (20.3% win pct) in the same span, nobody has been worse in Big 12 conference play.

2) Of our 18 conference wins in 68 total games, 10 of those wins were against either Nebraska or Colorado, who have been the two worst teams in Big 12 conference play since 2006-2007 besides ISU. ISU is 8-40 against teams not in the bottom 3 of the Big 12 since 06-07 (16.7% win pct).

3) We have 0 winning seasons overall. As mentioned before, our conference record is 18-50, but our overall record is 59-68. Meaning our non-conference record is 41-18. In there, we are 6-8 against BCS schools (not Big 12), so basically we are 35-10 against mid major or lower conferences, and 24-58 against BCS conference schools.


4) 17 of his 36 players have either transferred, quit, or been kicked off the team. In other words, if you were to take any 2 players who have played for GMac, there's a good chance ONE of them either transferred, quit, or was kicked off the team. Of the 19 players who haven't quit, transferred, or been kicked off the team....6 of them were walk ons. That means more actual recruited players have left the program than stayed.

5) We have been to 0 post seasons. Not the NCAA Tournament, not the NIT, not the CBI. ZERO

6) Like players quitting isn't bad enough, we've even had coaches quit.

7) We have only beaten 1 ranked team in 20 tries (I believe) since 06-07

8) We have only beaten 2 teams (Purdue and Kansas State) that made the NCAA tournament in four seasons.

9) We have the worst home record since the mid 1970s in the span since 06-07 in Iowa State history.




So tell me, why in God's name would I want to keep this guy hired in my right mind again? If this was my employee, he would have been gone two years ago.

Stating the cold hard facts of the GM era is an absolutely brutal excercise...is it not?!?

Abysmal. Pathetic.

I'm just glad we don't see the posts telling us about why we need to be patient while he implements his system anymore...or the posts comparing his first 3 years to Coach K's first 3 years at Duke anymore.

Even the "slowest" of the fan base is beginning to realize what has happened to ISU MBB.

 

[joefrog]

30% want to actually keep him?

I now wonder how many people from the athletic department and related to the coaching staff post here.

And I am being honest.

At this point anyone else is worth a try. Anyone.

 

[URBCLONE]

To the supporters particularly KG and CIMD -- why do you want him here? What has he shown in 4 years to make you want another year of this?

I honestly cannot think of a single reason why he "deserves" another year.

 

[marothisu]

Stating the cold hard facts of the GM era is an absolutely brutal excercise...is it not?!?

Abysmal. Pathetic.

I'm just glad we don't see the posts telling us about why we need to be patient while he implements his system anymore...or the posts comparing his first 3 years to Coach K's first 3 years at Duke anymore.

Even the "slowest" of the fan base is beginning to realize what has happened to ISU MBB.

It was pretty depressing. I started out with losing seasons and the quitting/transfer fiascos and then it goes from there. It's pathetic. Any respectable BCS school would have fired McDermott. There is absolutely no reason why he should be kept around. It would be like telling a sales guy he has to sell $3 million worth of equipment a year and he sells about $500,000 a year over four years, then a few years later the companies he sold stuff to part ways and buy from other vendors...but the company still keeps the sales guy? what? Nope, never works that way. The guy usually gets fired.

 

[isuno1fan]

To the supporters particularly KG and CIMD -- why do you want him here? What has he shown in 4 years to make you want another year of this?

I honestly cannot think of a single reason why he "deserves" another year.

I think he can still get it done and I think the money is better spent elsewhere.

Simple as that.

 

[URBCLONE]

I think he can still get it done

Based on what?

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I heard there were 5 people on the basketball float yesterday in the parade, is that correct?

 

[907CY]

We have to really settle down about this......

Some of us are doing this:

Nothing we say here will change the situation. All we are doing is hanging out the Cyclones dirty laundry for the internet world to see. Move on people...

 

[dbronco7sc]

Based on what?

The fact that the future is not the past.

I no longer take a side on whether or not week keep Mac... but I am not upset that the decision was made that he was kept for this coming year due to the above reason. We hired him because he had success where ever he went. He has not yet had it here... but he has not shown me that he has 'given up' or 'doesn't have the passion to do his best' and I know that past results don't mean the same thing will always happen.

He may very well never have a successful year at Iowa State even if he remained here another 4 years. But I can't claim to 'know' that every future year he will fail to produce.

I could have asked the same question "Based on what?" before Mac's first year. He hadn't had success at the big 12 level then either. It was based on the fact that he had shown that he could win at the previous schools. And now many disregard that fact as only his 'big 12' results matter. Yet... they didn't seem to matter to us when we first hired him.

Anyway... I just had to reply because I don't think it's fair for someone to have to justify their opinion that Mac can still be successful. As their opinion holds the same worth as someone who thinks Mac can never be successful here. It's an opinion about the future... something that none of us can predict.

Trying to lure someone in to defend their opinion just so you can tear it apart with past results... yeah... you've got the advantage. But it gives the impression that you're searching for someone to argue with...

None of us are happy with the past results... but each person is entitled to have their own opinion. Whether it be based on blind faith... past results at ISU... past results prior to ISU... support for family... or support for prior ISU coaches who were let go... we all have the right to our own opinion without the need to defend it to someone else who thinks their reasoning is the only one that should matter.

And I don't intend for this to be directed at you URB, (as you may very well have truly been curious and would have respected whatever answer was given)... but everyone... on both sides of the debate... it goes both ways and it's been happening a lot on this message board lately. I just wish we could all respect eachother's opinions a bit more... even though we may disagree with eachother.

 

[Wesley]

30% want to actually keep him?

I now wonder how many people from the athletic department and related to the coaching staff post here.

And I am being honest.

At this point anyone else is worth a try. Anyone.

Oh maybe 15-20 % = some have multiple addresses.:wink:

 

[URBCLONE]

And I don't intend for this to be directed at you URB, (as you may very well have truly been curious and would have respected whatever answer was given)... but everyone... on both sides of the debate... it goes both ways and it's been happening a lot on this message board lately. I just wish we could all respect eachother's opinions a bit more... even though we may disagree with eachother.

Dbronc, I was curious. I am trying to find something positive. I think you know where I stand. I wasn't trying to bait anyone. I wasn't happy when GM was hired, but I thought I would wait and see what he could do. After four years I am ready to pull the plug, but then I wasn't on board in the first place.

 

[Wesley]

Dbronc, I was curious. I am trying to find something positive. I think you know where I stand. I wasn't trying to bait anyone. I wasn't happy when GM was hired, but I thought I would wait and see what he could do. After four years I am ready to pull the plug, but then I wasn't on board in the first place.

Sometimes coaches do not work out. Then you must move on. Ask Iowa about their national Coach of the Year.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

At this point does it matter? Spring football has come and gone, football season will be here soon!

 

[marothisu]

The fact that the future is not the past.
.

Okay, let me get this straight. Pretend you're a manager at a company and you're overseeing 25 employees i.e. You are their direct report. Pretend you have 24 good or better employees and one REALLY BAD employee. He's been working for you for four years, he has shown over the last four years under a WIDE VARIETY of different dilemmas and situations that he can't do well, no matter what is given to him. He asks for help once for a project, you get it to him but he still underperforms. He says he can get the job done, but he still doesn't. Four years later, you come to learn he's crap and not very competent at his job. You realize that keeping him around any longer is going to negatively impact your company's revenue and cost you money in general by keeping him on.

So by your own admission, you're telling me to keep the guy. Why would you keep him? By your same admission, nobody should ever be fired because the past is the past, and the future is the future, and they are separate. People can always prove their worth. The future is chaotic and ANYYYTHING can happen.

No, this is why jobs are jobs and people get fired because they've shown in the past under a wide variety of circumstances how they can't get a job done. It's life, and Greg McDermott has shown us all that he needs to go, and is potentially, and most likely, costing us future revenue gain. Not to mention he's shown he can't win against a formidable foe to save his life! He's had a myriad of situations thrown his way, and shown he can't win. Now we have a huge sinking ship. You also bring up "after the first season." Please find me one coach who gets fired after one season based on record alone. It doesn't happen, even at a big time school like Michigan.

 

[brianhos]

I heard there were 5 people on the basketball float yesterday in the parade, is that correct?

Not sure how many, but there were not many.

 

[dbronco7sc]

So by your own admission, you're telling me to keep the guy. Why would you keep him? By your same admission, nobody should ever be fired because the past is the past, and the future is the future, and they are separate. People can always prove their worth. The future is chaotic and ANYYYTHING can happen..

You are somewhat close to what my point was (and for the record... I'm not on a 'side' any more on what we should do with McD). But if the above employee had great success before we hired him, proving he was good at what he does (at the time)... and he made some mistakes that normally would be considered acceptable, but when coupled with many problems (which I personally believed) were out of his control... he had been unproductive as you stated in your example. Then yes, I would not fire him.

Since the situation seems similar to our head coach... I will use him as my example. I do not directly supervise him and do not know the full details of what has gone behind the scenes with the issues that are coming up with him. Though, from an outsider's perspective, I feel he has had a lot of problems that have been out of his control, coupled with a few that have been within his control that would normally have been acceptable alone, but together has caused poor results.

Therefore... if the man supervising our coach agrees with me... then I think we should keep him. But if his supervisor has the opinion that the issues were more his fault than I personally beleive, then I would respect the decision to fire him.

I also respect any opinion that someone might have that differs from mine. Especially if they have more info than I do to base my decision off of.

No, this is why jobs are jobs and people get fired because they've shown in the past under a wide variety of circumstances how they can't get a job done. It's life, and Greg McDermott has shown us all that he needs to go, and is potentially, and most likely, costing us future revenue gain. Not to mention he's shown he can't win against a formidable foe to save his life! He's had a myriad of situations thrown his way, and shown he can't win. Now we have a huge sinking ship. You also bring up "after the first season." Please find me one coach who gets fired after one season based on record alone. It doesn't happen, even at a big time school like Michigan.

I respect your opinion that you think Mac needs to go. And I might agree with you if I had more inside info from that led me to beleive that, but I am a fan with a common fan's knowledge.

Also, I have searched my post and do not know what you mean by me saying "after the first season". I could not find that quote anywhere and do not recall what argument I would have been making that would use such a line. Therefore I will not refute your statement... as I don't think I ever intended to in the first place.

 

[marothisu]

You are somewhat close to what my point was (and for the record... I'm not on a 'side' any more on what we should do with McD). But if the above employee had great success before we hired him, proving he was good at what he does (at the time)... and he made some mistakes that normally would be considered acceptable, but when coupled with many problems (which I personally believed) were out of his control... he had been unproductive as you stated in your example. Then yes, I would not fire him.

Since the situation seems similar to our head coach... I will use him as my example. I do not directly supervise him and do not know the full details of what has gone behind the scenes with the issues that are coming up with him. Though, from an outsider's perspective, I feel he has had a lot of problems that have been out of his control, coupled with a few that have been within his control that would normally have been acceptable alone, but together has caused poor results.

Therefore... if the man supervising our coach agrees with me... then I think we should keep him. But if his supervisor has the opinion that the issues were more his fault than I personally beleive, then I would respect the decision to fire him.

I also respect any opinion that someone might have that differs from mine. Especially if they have more info than I do to base my decision off of.




I respect your opinion that you think Mac needs to go. And I might agree with you if I had more inside info from that led me to beleive that, but I am a fan with a common fan's knowledge.

Also, I have searched my post and do not know what you mean by me saying "after the first season". I could not find that quote anywhere and do not recall what argument I would have been making that would use such a line. Therefore I will not refute your statement... as I don't think I ever intended to in the first place.

How about this:

1) 0 winning seasons overall
2) 0 winning seasons in conference...In fact, we are 18-50 in conference play, with 10 of the wins against Nebraska and Colorado, who have been 2 of the 3 worst teams in conference along with ISU over the last four years.

3) 0 post seasons
4) 1 win against a top 25 opponent in 20 tries
5) 2 wins against teams that made the NCAA Tournament...out of...too many games.
6) 15 players have either quit the team or transferred out of 36 who have ever played for McDermott (and yes I am counting Brackins in this, because he did "quit" the team). (15/36)*100 = 41.67%. That's horrible. HORRIBLE. Find me one other BCS team over four years with that kind of horrible retention rate.


Listen, I respect your "The future isn't made up part," but again, this is not a "let's not make my employee get depressed" episode. This is a business, this is a passion and the guy isn't doing his job and hasn't done his job.

People who do well get rewarded for it, and people who do not do well get punished. It's life, it's how almost everything works. Just because the future isn't made up doesn't mean you can't have a percent certainty what is going to happen.


It still amazes me that some people think someone who's shown he can't get a job done over four years shouldn't be fired. Find me one company in the world where someone who has SEVERELY underachieved for four straight years still has their job.



Do you know why I originally said reference an employee having a myriad of different situations thrown at them? Because that's what Greg McDermott has had. Yes, it's not right to fire a project manager who inherits a project with a severely cut budget that fails and fire them because of it. The thing is that McDermott has had a number of situations, none of which he can get the job done with. Coming into last season? Hell, I thought we'd be dancing just looking at the pre-season and our first few games. No, not even close. This has "FIRED" written all over it.




Also, if you are so big on this future thing, then you will have no trouble hiring a coach in any sport at ISU even if they've had an absolutely ****** past record at all schools. There's a reason why good coaches get rewarded by inking huge contracts at bigger schools.

 

[dbronco7sc]

The future being different from the past is just one point.

And maybe I failed to explain clearly... but it's about context. I don't think we can hire anyone with a poor record. I think we hired a guy with a good record... who performed poorly since he's been here.

But it depends on the context of 'why' he performed poorly. I feel there were many things that were not his fault amongst some things that were his fault.

Many people on here disagree with me and feel it all boils down to he's the common denominator. I respect your opinion and everyone else who shares it with you.

I just feel differently than you about it for the reasons I've stated.