McDermott vs. Jacobsen

[sodakjoe]

I'll tell you the biggest difference I see is that Jacobsen has won conference championships and NCAA games while coaching at UNI...something McDermott never did.

In all fairness, the MVC was much stronger then. In 2006, 4 teams made the NCAA: UNI, Bradley, Southern Illinois, and Wichita State. In 2005, 3 teams: UNI, Southern Illinois, and Creighton. In 2004, UNI won the conference tournament, and they and Southern Illinois went dancing.

In the last two years that UNI has won the conference tournament, UNI is the only team from the conference to make the NCAA Tournament.

 

[cyclonenum1]

I'm not sure I can argue with this, but I really believe it's the type of player.

I remember a thread awhile back asking what was more important...athleticsm or basketball IQ (anyone else remember this?) The great majority wanted athleticsm.

Athleticsm is great, unless it's mentally and physically soft. This is the difference, IMO.

Jake has guys who have been told they are too slow, not tall enough, can't jump high enough, etc their whole life. These kids have something to prove and are mentally and physically tough, with high basketball IQs. Also, they stick together...unselfish.

Compare that with what McDermott has. Soft athletes, with zero basketball IQ.

Athleticism is needed to compete in the Big 12. Just need to find the kids with some toughness and IQ (I'm hoping Ejim is this kind of kid).

I thought I was going to have to remind you that athleticism and toughness/IQ are not mutually exclusive things but you came through on your post.

I saw UK play their first two games in the tournament and they are very athletic, tough, have a high BB IQ, and play very unselfishly. You do not have to choose between atheticism and the other qualities.

 

[benjay]

Do you think that UNI would be in the Sweet 16 if McD was still coaching there?

Who knows. Can't say that they wouldn't.

 

[number1]

This takes talent. You see the quote button at the bottom, works much easier- just saying.

Thanks---I was using reply

 

[number1]

I thought I was going to have to remind you that athleticism and toughness/IQ are not mutually exclusive things but you came through on your post.

I saw UK play their first two games in the tournament and they are very athletic, tough, have a high BB IQ, and play very unselfishly. You do not have to choose between atheticism and the other qualities.

That is if you have a top 10 program, that has a big budget, that hire a new coach who has "connections"

 

[jaretac]

McDermott had to upgrade the athletes he recruited for Big 12 play, the compromise was the coachability of the player along with lack of BB IQ

The problem is that with Mac's style of play, you must have smart players, talent alone won't do it for him. If he can't get talented smart players that can go in his system, he needs to change his style.

 

[enisthemenace]

I thought I was going to have to remind you that athleticism and toughness/IQ are not mutually exclusive things but you came through on your post.

I saw UK play their first two games in the tournament and they are very athletic, tough, have a high BB IQ, and play very unselfishly. You do not have to choose between atheticism and the other qualities.

I'm not sure I said they were mutually exclusive.

What I was saying, in keeping with the thread topic, the difference between McD and Jake is not as much coaching. It's the players they have running the system.

McD was forced to bring in athletes to try and compete in the Big 12. Unfortunately, not all were the right fit for the system.

 

[enisthemenace]

I thought I was going to have to remind you that athleticism and toughness/IQ are not mutually exclusive things but you came through on your post.

I saw UK play their first two games in the tournament and they are very athletic, tough, have a high BB IQ, and play very unselfishly. You do not have to choose between atheticism and the other qualities.

Wait...I just reread your post and we are agreeing, right?

 

[cyclone83]

UNI is this years version of the classic mid major in the sweet 16-

1. Senior laden
2. Tourney experience
3. Team play and depth without a dominant selfish player or two, what UNI player is even dreaming of the NBA?

What makes UNI remarkable is that they beat a #1. Usually a mid major is helped by an upset in the first round and they get in by beating a double digit seed in the second round.

 

[Stormin]

I think our biggest problem was that we could not make a FT to save our soul. So many close losses. Among those a close loss to UNI. Good FT shooting lets you close out close games. We didn't have it.

 

[Rural]

Too much is being made of the "same offense", "same defense" stuff.
It's obvious there is better coaching at UNI.
If GMac was coach, UNI loses to Vegas and Kansas doesn't happen.
Mac's NCAA games at UNI look like a carbon copy of his regular-season Big 12 games at ISU.

 

[coachclone]

Ben Jacobson is a better Coach then Greg McDermott and it is not even close. Here are some very obvious examples. In the UNLV game did you see the masterful way he used his timeouts to get the ball in-bounds and break the press, I think it's great that he uses them when he wants too and not just save them in case they are needed, used them all before the game was even over, none wasted here. He had the boys keep the game close, he so he could use them to get the ball in-bounds, I think he used 4 time outs alone just to help get the ball in-bounds and past half court, brilliant!

I love the way he just lets the kids play, he has set plays sure, some say up to 100 of them, but hey he just encourages his kids to shoot! If they feel they can make it they have the green light. I counted several times that UNI shot the ball really early in the shot clock, no re-bounders in position, just let it fly boys. At the end when the game was close it's 1 (UNI) on 3 (UNLV) K-Jo just takes it to the hoop for a high percentage acrobatic shot and the foul, absolutely great coaching

The KU game planing was a thing of beauty, nobody thought Ben would bring the big 7 footer out and have him shoot your first three, three pointers, heck Jordan E was 1 for 9 on the season from 3 land. You can't defend being tall get him away from the basket let him shoot over everybody. How about the press break here not a problem, the full court length pass was genius and would have worked if Jake Koch would not have been guarded and stumbled. His plan lulled KU into believing UNI could not even in-bounds the ball until they had to.

He told his Team to get a lead just large enough that KU would run out of time to secure the victory. He designed that Great Play for Ali (0-6 2nd half til what's coming), after a couple of in-bounds miscues (obvious decoys), he gets KU in a 2 on 4 situation with 30 seconds left, UNI has the lead and the ball, run down the clock right, get a good look, NO WAY! Aggressive is Ben's way pull up on the 2 on 4 situation and fire, KA BOOM! Game over, only mistake Ben made that I can see against KU, he still had 1 timeout left, don't save them Coach.

 

[Cloned4Life]

And they play in the MVC...not the Big 12. This style of play and gameplan, while it can win a game against a team like KU as was proven yesterday, will not find consistent success in a conference like the Big 12. You put UNI in the Big 12 and they would be nowhere near .500 in conference play.

And you may very well be right. But it sure looked pretty dang good being executed properly against the #1 team in the land yesterday...

 

[number1]

Too much is being made of the "same offense", "same defense" stuff.
It's obvious there is better coaching at UNI.
If GMac was coach, UNI loses to Vegas and Kansas doesn't happen.
Mac's NCAA games at UNI look like a carbon copy of his regular-season Big 12 games at ISU.

See my reference to graduating from jr. high "Rural". To everyone else, I appreciate the level of good conversation and demeanor....thanks

 

[westcyedclone]

I am guessing Jacobsen learned this from McDermott as this was probably his first coaching experience. UNI's players are coachable, basketball savvy ,unselfish and play as a team...who is the McDonalds all american or the star of the team????? My hope is that with Brackins and Gilstrap gone that we will have better team play and meld into the coaching style that McDermott can work with.

I think GMAC had a real problem dealing with high profile players. I think we may actually be better off not having any so called stars are our team. Gregs coaching style is better suited for role players. Just look at how many times it was reported that players like Brackins made Greg change his mind on decisions he made.

 

[ArathornClone]

Kids that committed to UNI under McDermott that played yesterday - Egelseder, Ahelegbe and Adam Koch.

this ^^^^^^^

 

[Tornado man]

The gameplans are the same. The styles of play are the same. UNI is just better at it all. Call it coaching, all it players, whatever. Doesn't matter. UNI is just better. And Greg, the players, the assistants, everybody has to figure out how to fix it, asap.

But UNI is "better at it" because Jacobson clearly demands more effort from them. Watch how the interior players box out, as in the KU yesterday. They would back their opponent clear off the court. That comes from clear expectations from an authoritative HC, and intense, physical pracatices.

 

[number1]

But UNI is "better at it" because Jacobson clearly demands more effort from them. Watch how the interior players box out, as in the KU yesterday. They would back their opponent clear off the court. That comes from clear expectations from an authoritative HC, and intense, physical pracatices.

It was starting to soak into them late in the season.....they out rebounded K-State and others late in the year. It took them that long to understand what was coached. This is why I have to say coachability is the trade off for athleticism

 

[Clonefan32]

Is there anyone more bummed out by this tournament than Mac:

- His buddy that took over for him at UNI is the darling of the NCAA tournament, giving interviews, and has his team in the Sweet 16 over a win over the number one ranked team.

- The seniors that he recruited to UNI are having a great deal of success.

- One of his former players just went for 31 points to take his team to the Sweet 16.

All the while he is struggling to sign up JuCo kids beacuse he has had so many kids leave his program and he knows that he may be out of a job in the next year or two if he can't turn things around.

 

[number1]

Is there anyone more bummed out by this tournament than Mac:

- His buddy that took over for him at UNI is the darling of the NCAA tournament, giving interviews, and has his team in the Sweet 16 over a win over the number one ranked team.

- The seniors that he recruited to UNI are having a great deal of success.

- One of his former players just went for 31 points to take his team to the Sweet 16.

All the while he is struggling to sign up JuCo kids beacuse he has had so many kids leave his program and he knows that he may be out of a job in the next year or two if he can't turn things around.

Take this jr high sh** out of here. I bet McDermott is happy for all of those to happen. Jacobsen because it reinforces his coaching style works with the right pieces. That the people he recruited had great success and lastly for seeing Johnson as a diamond in the ruff..... that tells he knows talent!