Official Missouri Post Game Thread

[blazear]

Obviously Mac doesn't miss shots and defensive assignments, but how many more seasons of losing basketball are you people (Mac supporters) willing to sit through? 4 in a row sucks. How is this progress? How is this better than what he had? NEWSFLASH: It's NOT! At what point are you willing to hold Mac accountable? Obviously this year isn't it. How about next year when we win 14 games? Will you still be in his corner then? The year after that? Do some of you folks like McDermott so much that you're willing to support him no matter how bad ISU Basketball is?

All serious questions.

I'm not sure how many more seasons I can handle, but I would like to have a season that Mac has a little luck in some issues to see what he could do. I personally think that JVB and Lucca make a big difference in 3 or 4 of these conference games. Can I prove that? No. Does it lie on Greg at the end of the day - absolutely. But as much as everyone is willing to throw him under the bus, I do think that just saying you should coach harder and you aren't doing it, when circumstances this year are NOTHING like we expected to be in is a little tough. There are at least 6 games this year that a play here or there turn a L to a W. We started out hoping for the NCAA's and lost a big part of what we wanted to do with injuries, defections, etc.

He needs to fix that, but I also think a couple of the bad breaks he has had do give him a little leeway. The problem is in year 4 nobody is willing to give him that benefit of the doubt and I get that as well.

In watching this game, the one thing I take out of it is just that our guys don't know how to win. Place blame wherever you may, but I feel like a couple hoops against Nwestern and UNI and they figure out how to win and maybe some of these shots against TTech, OU or MU start going down.

Who knows, you all might be right, but I saw how Larry and Tim treated this job and I respect the hell out of Mac and for that I probably give him more leeway than a lot of you.

 

[alarson]

One question for all you homies - Lets see you do it!!!

Nobody is paying any of us a ridiculous amount of money or handing us a ridiculously long contract to do it, so none of us should be *expected* to do it.

 

[bel79]

Huggins, Calipari pretty much get the pick of the litter.

Run a clean program!! Give em alittle respect!! Kentucky will be in trouble here soon. Huggins??? Give me a brake!! He is bad news - wins - BUT shadows follow him everywhere!!

 

[BigBake]

Well the problem is that we know what we have with Mac.

No, I don't see the problem/reason it's not working. I truly scratch my head. He won at UNI, 3 NCAA's. He knows how to coach and win.

I honestly have no explanation as to why it's failing so bad. For all practical purposes logic says we should be winning more games.

 

[louienad25]

I won't kill him for not calling at TO at 1:35 mark. Players gotta know the situation. Even the announcers called it right away...get to the hoop and dont' waste time dribbling around.

What??? It doesn't matter what the announcers say, have you watched any games this year?

Are you serious??? Mac micromanages EVERY phase of the game, which is part of the reason for the low basketball IQ we display.

You absolutely take a time out there, and set up a play that you want run. It was at the point that there weren't many possessions left, and you needed to make sure that you save as much clock as possible, and have everybody on the same page.

To not do that, and let all that time run off the clock was what you would see from a first year middle school coach.

That was really the only thing that I saw that Mac did totally wrong tonight, he didn't have a bad game other than this.

 

[Al_4_State]

No, I won't be happy and I'm not happy. But what do you want me to say? If I said "fire him" would you be happy?

I see a problem that transcends the coach. It's a problem with the program. We've been in a rut for almost a decade and I don't know what will fix it.

We went to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament, losing to the eventual champion, while only playing 6 guys 5 years ago. I guess "5 years" = "almost a decade" to you?

Firing him seems the only way to change things at this point. We either fire him, or ride out the next 5 years of his contract. At the rate he's going, we'll make CU crowds look good. McDermott's teams just keep getting a little bit worse every year. I'd rather start rebuilding with some hope, than continue our slide to the very bottom of the conference, if we aren't there already.

 

[BigBake]

Run a clean program!! Give em alittle respect!! Kentucky will be in trouble here soon. Huggins??? Give me a brake!! He is bad news - wins - BUT shadows follow him everywhere!!

Yup, I still remember Huggy's move when he left Cincy...called every recruit after being fired, told them to decommit since he knew he was going to get hired somewhere else.

And there wasn't jack the NCAA could do because at that point Huggy had zero ties to any school.

 

[blazear]

Here's a scenario/question for you Mr. Co-Owner.

Let's say the D.Albaugh Chemical company needs to remove a sales manager because he is a horrible manager of his territory and the company is suffering due to his lack of effort in sales of the products.

A new sales manager is hired and he starts off fairly well but soon he loses his best salesman. His sales suffer to the point that his volume is not as good as the previous sales manager. Soon, he loses another top sales producer and his sales tumble more. The last sale person who left does so right after a performance review that rated him highly, but the sales person left anyway and the manager is unsure why.

He almost gets a couple of big accounts, but without the sales muscle in place , he can't quite land them. Sales fall a bit more. The home office in Ankeny is getting uncomfortable and the company profits suffer from the lack of volume in that market.

Is his low sales volume due to bad luck even though the product is high quality/competitively priced? Would the company be willing to invest more time in this manager given his performance? Is four years in this previously established territory long enough? Should he be held accountable for the top performers bailing on him?

I am not advocating that the coach be shown the door yet as I am willing to let the season play out, but past performance is indicative of future results.

I think you would agree that there is, and should be, concern.

I do agree there should be concern, and the analogy is interesting. However, I don't think McD was offered a job in as good of a position as this sales person would have been. Several people will say they are excuses, but with 4 scholarship guys and about a month to recruit his first class, to say he was behind the 8 ball is putting in mildly.

I don't know the right answer, but my guess is at the time he was hired, most peopple thought he needed at least 3 to 4 years even to right the ship. He is at that point right now and needs to start improving, but with what he started with (lack of scholarships, APR issues) I still feel like he needs a little more time.

Sorry I couldn't figure out a good response to the analogy I'm still in full stress mode from tonight :sad:

 

[Al_4_State]

I'm not sure how many more seasons I can handle, but I would like to have a season that Mac has a little luck in some issues to see what he could do. I personally think that JVB and Lucca make a big difference in 3 or 4 of these conference games. Can I prove that? No. Does it lie on Greg at the end of the day - absolutely. But as much as everyone is willing to throw him under the bus, I do think that just saying you should coach harder and you aren't doing it, when circumstances this year are NOTHING like we expected to be in is a little tough. There are at least 6 games this year that a play here or there turn a L to a W. We started out hoping for the NCAA's and lost a big part of what we wanted to do with injuries, defections, etc.

He needs to fix that, but I also think a couple of the bad breaks he has had do give him a little leeway. The problem is in year 4 nobody is willing to give him that benefit of the doubt and I get that as well.

In watching this game, the one thing I take out of it is just that our guys don't know how to win. Place blame wherever you may, but I feel like a couple hoops against Nwestern and UNI and they figure out how to win and maybe some of these shots against TTech, OU or MU start going down.

Who knows, you all might be right, but I saw how Larry and Tim treated this job and I respect the hell out of Mac and for that I probably give him more leeway than a lot of you.

You're absolutely right. These guys remind me of our football team in 2008. Lots of blown, close games. Those guys didn't know how to win. All of a sudden, at the end of 2009, they're sitting with a winning record. Same guys, one year later. Why? They learned how to win, and their new coach taught 'em.

My point, is that learning how to win is something a good coaching staff can teach, and our football team is a living, breathing example.

 

[bawbie]

Obviously Mac doesn't miss shots and defensive assignments, but how many more seasons of losing basketball are you people (Mac supporters) willing to sit through? 4 in a row sucks.

Yes, losing sucks. We all agree with that. What we don't agree with is that a new coach will bring a better chance at a winning season sooner than keeping the current staff.

At what point are you willing to hold Mac accountable? Obviously this year isn't it.

McDermott is accountable, and he says so everytime I hear him speak. In your mind is the only possible way for him to be accountable is to fire him? I disagree.

How about next year when we win 14 games? Will you still be in his corner then? The year after that? Do some of you folks like McDermott so much that you're willing to support him no matter how bad ISU Basketball is?

This is where you fly off the handle and lose all respectability in my book. Everyone here wants what is best for ISU basketball. Some of you think the best thing for ISU basketball is to throw the team under the bus and call for the coach's head in the middle of the season. Some of us think the best thing is to give the coaching staff another year, because (amongst other reasons) we aren't going to get anything better in the current financial situation.

But I guess it makes you feel better if you can bash fans for supporting the team and coach. So be it.

 

[BigBake]

We went to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament, losing to the eventual champion, while only playing 6 guys 5 years ago. I guess "5 years" = "almost a decade" to you?

We barely made the tourney that year. (yes we made it) but it wasn't pretty and that year had plenty of issues.

Also WE ONLY HAD 6 GUYS. A similar thing exists this year and people are killing coach for it.

Having to be in a position to only be able to play 6 guys = rut.

 

[louienad25]

No, I don't see the problem/reason it's not working. I truly scratch my head. He won at UNI, 3 NCAA's. He knows how to coach and win.

I honestly have no explanation as to why it's failing so bad. For all practical purposes logic says we should be winning more games.

Tim Floyd said the hardest jump a coach makes is from mid major to big 6. A lot of coaches have failed making that jump. Greg is one of many.

The problem with the UNI comparisons is that they have NOTHINGg to do with winning at Iowa State. When the guy says TWICE that he didn't understand the quality of athlete that it takes to compete in the Big 12, that disconnect alone should sound alarms.

Keep making excuses though,

 

[BigBake]

We went to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament, losing to the eventual champion, while only playing 6 guys 5 years ago. I guess "5 years" = "almost a decade" to you?

I'm sick of the crap this program has dealt with over the last decade. A couple of nice moments but all of that is far outweighed by the crap. If you really need me to list it out you haven't been following ISU bball close enough.

 

[louienad25]

I'm sick of the crap this program has dealt with over the last decade. A couple of nice moments but all of that is far outweighed by the crap. If you really need me to list it out you haven't been following ISU bball close enough.

So then WHY continue to do something that is not working??? If this decade of "crap" you say has been so bad, why continue on a path that has been nothing but failure.

So, I guess by your reasoning again, we should not have fired Wayne Morgan. Because if an NCAA bid is "crap" then what the hell is this that we have seen for four years now?

 

[Tre4ISU]

I'm not sure how many more seasons I can handle, but I would like to have a season that Mac has a little luck in some issues to see what he could do. I personally think that JVB and Lucca make a big difference in 3 or 4 of these conference games. Can I prove that? No. Does it lie on Greg at the end of the day - absolutely. But as much as everyone is willing to throw him under the bus, I do think that just saying you should coach harder and you aren't doing it, when circumstances this year are NOTHING like we expected to be in is a little tough. There are at least 6 games this year that a play here or there turn a L to a W. We started out hoping for the NCAA's and lost a big part of what we wanted to do with injuries, defections, etc.

He needs to fix that, but I also think a couple of the bad breaks he has had do give him a little leeway. The problem is in year 4 nobody is willing to give him that benefit of the doubt and I get that as well.

In watching this game, the one thing I take out of it is just that our guys don't know how to win. Place blame wherever you may, but I feel like a couple hoops against Nwestern and UNI and they figure out how to win and maybe some of these shots against TTech, OU or MU start going down.

Who knows, you all might be right, but I saw how Larry and Tim treated this job and I respect the hell out of Mac and for that I probably give him more leeway than a lot of you.

Good post. One thing I would say is that it is very hard to teach a team how to win. I don't think the game was managed well at the end of the game but before that when we had numerous opportunities to take the lead, it was still evident that on the floor we don't know how to win. That is something hard to teach. I think maybe Mac puts too much trust in his players to figure it out. He can direct all he wants but in the end someone has to execute.

 

[BigBake]

Tim Floyd said the hardest jump a coach makes is from mid major to big 6. A lot of coaches have failed making that jump. Greg is one of many.

The problem with the UNI comparisons is that they have NOTHINGg to do with winning at Iowa State. When the guy says TWICE that he didn't understand the quality of athlete that it takes to compete in the Big 12, that disconnect alone should sound alarms.

And a lot of coaches have made that jump and excelled.

I think your twisting his words on the second point.

I'm not making "excuses". I still don't see a tangible reason why he is failing.

 

[bawbie]

So then WHY continue to do something that is not working??? If this decade of "crap" you say has been so bad, why continue on a path that has been nothing but failure.

Changing coaches every 3 or 4 years is continuing to do what we have been doing.

 

[BigBake]

So then WHY continue to do something that is not working??? If this decade of "crap" you say has been so bad, why continue on a path that has been nothing but failure.

So, I guess by your reasoning again, we should not have fired Wayne Morgan. Because if an NCAA bid is "crap" then what the hell is this that we have seen for four years now?

When did I say I wanted to continue on this path?

Yes, that team still vastly underachieved and we shouldn't have been in a position of only having 6 players. (with Skogs coming off the bench)

 

[BigBake]

Changing coaches every 3 or 4 years is continuing to do what we have been doing.

And look where it got us.

 

[blazear]

Not really trying stick up for Mac here, just think its amazing - but we just played a game with scholarship players of 3 PG, 1 SG, 1 SF, 1 PF and 1C - that has to be some kind of record. No people at their normal position to back up 4 of the 5 positions??